firstdefence Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 What criteria is required that Affinity creates a Layer (Image)? If I open a TIFF or drag a TIFF into Affinity it will assign it Layer (Image) but... what I find a bit strange is, in the help files under About Layers, there is no mention of Layer (Image) Oddly, if I open a TIFF in Affinity Designer or Right-Click and select Affinity Designer it opens it as a Layer (Pixel) Once I've done that it will also open as a Pixel layer in Affinity Photo. If I then Export that same TIFF as a TIFF and name rename it it will open in Photo as a Layer (Image) If I drag the TIFF into another doc that has a PJG it will import it as a Layer (Image) About layers Layers allow you to edit and design using a non-destructive methodology. This gives you maximum flexibility for your photographic projects. What are layers? You can think of layers as being like sheets of paper that are stacked one on top of the other. Transparent areas of a layer reveal the layer below, while opaque parts of a layer obscure the layers below. All layer management is carried out from the Layers panel. Here are some important points regarding layers: Once editing and designing has begun, all documents will have at least one layer. The order of your layers is important. A layer at the top of the panel is at the front of your document and vice versa. Any selected layer(s) are highlighted, so that you can always see what layer you are working on. Any layer can be hidden, to exclude its content from displaying in your project. The effect of layer order on a document. Types of layer There are several types of layers that can be created: Pixel layer—containing raster images where pixel-based editing takes place. Mask layer—special layer that allows you to define what content is hidden to reveal layers beneath. Adjustment layer—special layer that can be used to correct or enhance the layers beneath. Fill layer—special layer that contains an adjustable solid or gradient colour. Snapshot layer—special layer that contains a predefined project snapshot as a single, flattened pixel layer. Vector layer—vector content, such as curves, shapes, text and placed images, occupy their own unique layer. Vector layers are automatically created whenever you: Draw lines and shapes using the Pen Tool Use any geometric shapes Add Artistic or Frame text Use the Place command to add an additional image to your project. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 45 minutes ago, firstdefence said: What criteria is required that Affinity creates a Layer (Image)? My experience: If I Open a TIFF file, Affinity Photo loads it as Background (Pixel). On the other hand, if I Place a TIFF file, or drag it onto an open Affinity Photo document, I get a new (Image) layer. I believe that other file types (JPG, etc.) would behave the same. (This is all on Windows, by the way.) Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, walt.farrell said: My experience: If I Open a TIFF file, Affinity Photo loads it as Background (Pixel). On the other hand, if I Place a TIFF file, or drag it onto an open Affinity Photo document, I get a new (Image) layer. I believe that other file types (JPG, etc.) would behave the same. (This is all on Windows, by the way.) It seems a bit random and there is no Help File guideline for Layer (Image). It would be helpful to know what triggers Affinity into creating the Layer(Image) I'm just running some tests to see if I can identify the trigger, be it a file type or a method of import or opening. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, firstdefence said: It seems a bit random and there is no Help File guideline for Layer (Image). It would be helpful to know what triggers Affinity into creating the Layer(Image) I'm just running some tests to see if I can identify the trigger, be it a file type or a method of import or opening. For me, so far, it seems consistent: Opening gives a (Pixel) layer. Placing, dragging onto, or pasting onto gives an (Image) layer. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I started with a standard JPEG and opened it in Affinity, I then exported the image to at the formats Affinity will to export to. EXR, opens as 2 named Layers RGB and A (Pixel) PNG, opens as Background (Pixel) SVG, Opens as a named Layer (Image) TIFF, Opens as Background (Pixel) PDF, Opens as (Image) PSD, Opens as {Background} (Pixel) HDR, Opens as Background (Pixel) EPS, Opens as (Layer) GIF Opens as Background (Pixel) Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: For me, so far, it seems consistent: Opening gives a (Pixel) layer. Placing, dragging onto, or pasting onto gives an (Image) layer. I can drag a Tiff, JPEG and PNG and they all give me a Layer (Pixel) I'm on Mac, if I drag into an existing document it will create a Layer (Image) Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rostron Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, firstdefence said: EXR, opens as 2 named Layers RGB and A (Pixel) PNG, opens as Background (Pixel) SVG, Opens as a named Layer (Image) TIFF, Opens as Background (Pixel) PDF, Opens as (Image) PSD, Opens as {Background} (Pixel) HDR, Opens as Background (Pixel) EPS, Opens as (Layer) GIF Opens as Background (Pixel) It would seem that bit/pixel-based images open as pixel layers. Vector-based images open as image layers. Simples! John Quote Windows 10, Affinity Photo 1.10.5 Designer 1.10.5 and Publisher 1.10.5 (mainly Photo), now ex-Adobe CC CPU: AMD A6-3670. RAM: 16 GB DDR3 @ 666MHz, Graphics: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, firstdefence said: what I find a bit strange is, in the help files under About Layers, there is no mention of Layer (Image) I found that strange too. There are several other omissions in the help files but since this causes so much confusion among new (& not-so-new) users, it seems like a major oversight to me. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, John Rostron said: It would seem that bit/pixel-based images open as pixel layers. Vector-based images open as image layers. Simples! John Until you drag that pixel bit image into another open document and then it becomes a Layer (Image) I wonder if this is more to prevent accidentally editing, a bit like a protected mode and choosing to rasterise is a considered choice. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosven Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 If your TIF is a scanned image, it'll open as an image (Pixel). If you open old layered tif from Photoshop, some effects will be rasterised and you'll have some layers, but perhaps not the original ones. I just opened a bunch of old .tif and new ones, and the layers seems ok (I don't have Photoshop to check at the moment). I opened one with a missing font, and pasting/draging the file get the same result : the missing font is replace bu plain Arial. Those Photoshop's tif are opened the same way as .psd files, with some masks and some pathes. (Only the undocumented/complexes features are missing/rasterized ?). It's an interesting point since it means it's not necessary to convert Photoshop's TIFs to PSD (in example folders of old logos, than can be replace later by newer ones in another file format). Thanks you @firstdefence for looking at this, I usually tested opening AP/AD's TIFFs and PSDs in 'Toshop, but forget to test the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 hours ago, firstdefence said: Until you drag that pixel bit image into another open document and then it becomes a Layer (Image) I wonder if this is more to prevent accidentally editing, a bit like a protected mode and choosing to rasterise is a considered choice. More like when you drag photos to your AP document they are presented as objects and you can scale, position and transform them non-destructively. If they were pixel layers they would be resampled at each operation and quality would suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Staff MEB Posted May 27, 2018 Staff Share Posted May 27, 2018 23 hours ago, firstdefence said: What criteria is required that Affinity creates a Layer (Image)? If I open a TIFF or drag a TIFF into Affinity it will assign it Layer (Image) but... what I find a bit strange is, in the help files under About Layers, there is no mention of Layer (Image) Oddly, if I open a TIFF in Affinity Designer or Right-Click and select Affinity Designer it opens it as a Layer (Pixel) Once I've done that it will also open as a Pixel layer in Affinity Photo. If I then Export that same TIFF as a TIFF and name rename it it will open in Photo as a Layer (Image) If I drag the TIFF into another doc that has a PJG it will import it as a Layer (Image) Hi @firstdefence, all, Raster files will open as pixel layers everytime you open them directly either by using File ▸ Open or by dragging them to the application window if no document is opened or over the main toolbar of the app if there's a document opened in the work area. Raster files will be added as Image layers when they are placed on an existing/opened document either by using the File ▸ Place command, the Place Image Tool (in Affinity Designer only), or by dragging them over an opened document on the application window. Complex documents (PDF, PSD, SVG, affinity files) are imported (opened in case of affinity native files) directly as layers/objects when opened directly (File ▸ Open) or as embedded documents if placed (dragged over an existing document; using File ▸ Place; or in Designer using the Image Place Tool) into an existing document. Wosven and firstdefence 2 Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdefence Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, MEB said: Raster files will be added as Image layers when they are placed on an existing/opened document either by using the File ▸ Place command, the Place Image Tool (in Affinity Designer only), or by dragging them over an opened document on the application window. Thanks @MEB that should be added to the help file Quote iMac 27" 2019 Somona 14.3.1, iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unni Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I had the same delete problem. The selection was not getting deleted while pressing the delete key. While trying various things, I noted that the four pen next to the eye in the channels tab should be white. If it is grey, the selection will not get deleted even if del key or CNTRL X is pressed. Click on the pen and eyes to make it white. Then press DEL key or CNTRL X. THen the selection gets deleted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumaluke Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 11/12/2017 at 9:29 AM, specworkfan said: Delete key doesn’t work on the smart keyboard in iOS for this either. This is actually the case. And it is inconvenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritech Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/27/2016 at 6:22 PM, Macoun said: I'm become crazy by a stupid simple task: How to delete something in an selection? I've selected an area (Rect selection) that i want to delete. Then i press the delete key, but it deletes the complete layer!? I've searched in the Edit- and the Selection-Menu, but nothing. Then i use the help to search for delete, and it finds just the Delete Layer command? Searching for that term in google shows me al lot of impressive tricks, but not how to delete the content inside a simple selection. So i switched to Pixelmator to do that in two seconds... - But that's insane, for such a basic function. Where did you hide the simple delete function? For me (in AP) it is work. just click on layer you want to delete in layer list first, make sure it is pixel layer (if not click rasterize). make selection on the layer, then press delete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BkkGreg Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 When Affinity works, it's great, but when it doesn't it's maddening. I've spent the past hour trying to delete a selection - literally the easiest thing you can do in a photo editor - and I'm having many of the same problems listed above, and none of the "solutions" work. I use the word solutions roughly, because everything seems like an unnecessary workaround. None of this has ever happened to me in any other photo editor I've ever used and now I'm venting at a 3-year old thread because Affinity is so spotty and unpredictable with the simplest of tasks. If this is so complicated, you need to head back to the drawing board. dysamoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted March 6, 2019 Staff Share Posted March 6, 2019 Hi BkkGreg, Welcome to Affinity Forums Do you have the right layer selected? and is it a pixel layer or an image layer (look at the label between parenthesis after the layer's name in the Layers panel)? If it's an Image layer right-click on it in the Layers panel and select Rasterise to convert it to a pixel layer. You should then be able to delete the selection. Only pixel layers let you perform edits at a pixel level. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidholland Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 BkkGreg is very right. I am trying to use Affinity Photo for two years plus did a thorough online course, but Affinity Photo is letting me down time and time again. One of the hundreds of little problemes I have is the following. I use the freehand selection tool on a rasterised layer. Deleting the selection doesn't work, nothing happend when I press delete. After ten minutes of trying to solve this problem I use the Rectangular Marquee tool and press delete. The selection is deleted. How is this possible? And how is it possible that Affinity still doesn't have the selection-option "select similar"? I am afraid I have to go back to the, in my opinion, totally corrupted Adobe company to return to Photoshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungalist Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Hi everybody! I think i've found a tricky moment with selection with ctrl+vector object layer image selection. If vector object was created with pen tool, it might have no fill or stroke. So you need to add fill attribute to vector object first and the problem will be solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafvert Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Ran into the same problem, completely baffeled me as I tried to select a rectangular area and then delete it, which ended up deleting the entire layer. I tried this multiple times and eventually had to search online and find this to realize what was happening. After reading your explanations I understand why it's happening, but it's completely unexpected and very hard to understand for the user, especially when they're used to any other photo editor. Basically, I think the problem is that when you paste in or drag in pixel graphics they're made into image objects. This has some benefits, but the problem is that it's not clearly indicated to the user, so they don't understand this is happening or expect that they won't be able to edit them without rasterizing them. Next complication is that when you make a rectangular selection the interface clearly signals to the user that this area is selected, and not the entire image layer. This makes it again very unexpected that Affinity actually considers the whole layer object selected and not the selection area and deletes the entire layer when you press delete. So, a few ideas to make this easier to understand in future updates: - Communicate more clearly that something you paste in is not a rasterized layer that you can edit the content of. Or maybe offer a setting on how pasted in images are handled. - Communicate more clearly what is selected, or don't consider the entire layer selected when you make an area selection. - Offer the offer to rasterize the layer if they try to edit it (like removing a part), or even better, just let the user edit the corresponding part of the transformed bitmap and keep it an image object. Fixx, lumaluke and dysamoria 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlavaUX Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I find it horrible UX when I fail to perform such a basic as select > delete selection What if I don't want to rasterize the image? How do I delete selection from an "Image" without rasterizing it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl123 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, SlavaUX said: How do I delete selection from an "Image" without rasterizing it?? Use a Mask Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, SlavaUX said: What if I don't want to rasterize the image? How do I delete selection from an "Image" without rasterizing it?? You can't. Image layers -- those that have an "(Image)" suffix in the Layers panel -- are treated as single objects that each retain their individual pixel resolutions unless they are rasterized, at which point they are converted to pixel layers at the document resolution. In this respect they are somewhat like vector objects -- you can scale, rotate, stretch, shear, etc. them non-destructively & either via the Transform panel or with the popup on the context toolbar of the Move Tool, reset them to their original properties with no change to their 'native' resolutions. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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