Morningstar.pm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 How can I save a file natively in Affinity Designer 2 that can be opened in Affinity Designer 1, without resorting to exporting the document in PDF, SVG, EPS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Morningstar.pm said: How can I save a file natively in Affinity Designer 2 that can be opened in Affinity Designer 1, without resorting to exporting the document in PDF, SVG, EPS... We cannot do that as of now. Maybe never. However, if you still have version one of Designer on your machine you can open it alongside the new Designer 2 and just copy from Designer 2 and then paste into Designer version 1's empty document. There may be some things that are new in 2 that won't work in the earlier version so you should go slow and experiment. By that I mean "Expect some crashes in version 1 if you include new stuff form version 2.". Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvst Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It's unheard of in the software industry for software to have forward compatibility, ie., to be able to open a newer version file in an older version of the software (which is what we're talking about, not backward compatibility as many people are calling it. Backward compatibility would mean that Affinity V2 can open V1 files, which it can, so it's already backward compatible) The older software would need all the code for the new file format backported into a specific maintenance release to enable this functionality, and apart from the technical challenge of doing so, there is a disincentive for the developer to do this. What Affinity SHOULD do, however, is issue a warning when saving a V1 file using V2 software - "WARNING: once saved with the V2 file format, you won't be able to open it in V1". That way, at least the user will know before executing an operation that cannot be reversed. Amadeusz, Old Bruce and Westerwälder 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, rvst said: What Affinity SHOULD do, however, is issue a warning when saving a V1 file using V2 software - "WARNING: once saved with the V2 file format, you won't be able to open it in V1". The staff(?) have mentioned that this should be included 'soon' -- but no specific timetable for that has been given. Old Bruce, aldricbonani and rvst 3 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 I have to say that I was amazed that there is no warning. The entire staff failed big time on not having this in the first release. I don't know if it is possible to have an export to Version 1 option coded, maybe rasterize and or 'expand' those items which can't be opened in version one. IronStrikesIron and Westerwälder 1 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: I don't know if it is possible to have an export to Version 1 option coded, maybe rasterize and or 'expand' those items which can't be opened in version one. They have said it is too big. They recognize there should have been a warning. I expect it to be like the warning that V1 Beta releases gave when opening V1 release files, along the lines of "Hey, you're opening a file saved by an older version. Saving can make it incompatible. You can " and some buttons to continue, make a copy which is then "untitled", or cancel. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: 14 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: I don't know if it is possible to have an export to Version 1 option coded, maybe rasterize and or 'expand' those items which can't be opened in version one. They have said it is too big. What specifically have they said is too big? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Be warned that simply OPENING a V1 file in V2 will break that file in V1. It happened to me, and I'm not happy about it. I opened a file in V2 and immediately quit the program, realizing what I had done. But now that file won't open in V1. I almost wonder if this was by design, to force those of us who installed the trial version to have to buy it. Did Serif borrow from the scummy Adobe playbook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, mangauniversity said: Be warned that simply OPENING a V1 file in V2 will break that file in V1. It happened to me, and I'm not happy about it. I opened a file in V2 and immediately quit the program, realizing what I had done. But now that file won't open in V1. If you did not Save the file that seems very odd. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: If you did not Save the file that seems very odd. Odd, but true. I didn't save the file. As soon as the file loaded in V2, I quit the application. It did not prompt me to save the file, nor would I have chosen to do if it had prompted me. (I should note that this happened with Publisher. I did not install the V2 trials of Photo and Designer — nor will I at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J. Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Old Bruce said: We cannot do that as of now. Maybe never. However, if you still have version one of Designer on your machine you can open it alongside the new Designer 2 and just copy from Designer 2 and then paste into Designer version 1's empty document. There may be some things that are new in 2 that won't work in the earlier version so you should go slow and experiment. By that I mean "Expect some crashes in version 1 if you include new stuff form version 2.". Will V2 open the V1 files? Do I even need V1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, mangauniversity said: Be warned that simply OPENING a V1 file in V2 will break that file in V1. This does not happen for me, unless I save the file after opening it in V2. I have tested this with multiple files in all 3 apps. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted November 16, 2022 Staff Share Posted November 16, 2022 @Tom J. Yes, V2 opens V1 files. If you have imported all your custom assets, brushes, macros etc from version 1 and they are working fine in version 2 there's no reason to keep version 1 installed if you don't want to. Remember you can always go to the Store where you bought it and download/install the V1 version again in case you need it. Old Bruce 1 Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tom J. said: Will V2 open the V1 files? Do I even need V1? Yes, V2 can open them. But these are in-progress files, and I didn't want to switch to V2 before completing them in V1. I have (well, had) every intention of upgrading to V2. But I wanted to do so slowly and methodically. I installed the V2 trial to do just that — try the software by creating new files and experimenting. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, R C-R said: This does not happen for me, unless I save the file after opening it in V2. I have tested this with multiple files in all 3 apps. This gives me hope, then, that I might be able to get V1 to open them again. I'm in the process of uninstalling the V2 trial so no trace of it or its preferences remain on my computer. Then I'll uninstall and reinstall V1 and see if the files can be opened and edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, MEB said: Remember you can always go to the Store where you bought it and download/install the old version again in case you need it. Even so, I think it is a good idea to backup the various V1 application support files somewhere, just in case they get deleted along with the V1 apps. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J. Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, mangauniversity said: Yes, V2 can open them. But these are in-progress files, and I didn't want to switch to V2 before completing them in V1. I have (well, had) every intention of upgrading to V2. But I wanted to do so slowly and methodically. I installed the V2 trial to do just that — try the software by creating new files and experimenting. Thanks. I will do so as well. 4 minutes ago, mangauniversity said: Yes, V2 can open them. But these are in-progress files, and I didn't want to switch to V2 before completing them in V1. I have (well, had) every intention of upgrading to V2. But I wanted to do so slowly and methodically. I installed the V2 trial to do just that — try the software by creating new files and experimenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, mangauniversity said: This gives me hope, then, that I might be able to get V1 to open them again. I'm in the process of uninstalling the V2 trial so no trace of it or its preferences remain on my computer. Both V1 & V2 of all 3 apps are on my Mac & they do not share any preferences, so it should not make any difference if you keep or remove the V2 trials. It should be enough just to make absolutely sure you do not save a file created in V1 in V2 before closing it in V2. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarknz Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I loaded a V1 file I am working on for a client. All went well until I tried to save as a prepress PDF. Time after time it came up with an error message that it cannot save to PDF. I converted images from psd to png but with the same end result. I tried the 72dpi smallest pdf file size and same result. Is this a translation problem from V1 to V2? I have also noticed that images drop off the page for no reason and disappear from the layers menu, meaning I have to re-open the file! I am concerned that this has been a rushed version, released to meet the Black Friday market. Until the PDF and image dropping issue is fixed I will rebuild the panel in Indesign, where I know there is no problem exporting to prepress PDF regardless of file size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, R C-R said: Both V1 & V2 of all 3 apps are on my Mac & they do not share any preferences, so it should not make any difference if you keep or remove the V2 trials. It should be enough just to make absolutely sure you do not save a file created in V1 in V2 before closing it in V2. Because I beta-tested V1 and was familiar with backwards-compatibility issues, I knew that saving a file in V2 would render it useless in V1. Which actually brings me to a second concern. Why does the V2 trial automatically get set as the "default" app on a computer that has V1 already installed? Because that's what led me to unintentionally open my V1 file in V2 — I double-clicked the file and expected it to open in V1 (and as soon as I saw that doing so had launched V2, I quit without saving). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, R C-R said: What specifically have they said is too big? Sorry for lack of clarity. The effort to save a file from V2 in a way compatible with V1. IronStrikesIron 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, mangauniversity said: Why does the V2 trial automatically get set as the "default" app on a computer that has V1 already installed? That did not happen on my Mac either. All my files created in V1 still open in V1 by default -- in fact, all the files created in V2 also default to trying to open in V1 as well because I have not (yet) set any V2 as a default. I have no idea why it is so different for you. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.5.5 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 All 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, R C-R said: That did not happen on my Mac either. All my files created in V1 still open in V1 by default -- in fact, all the files created in V2 also default to trying to open in V1 as well because I have not (yet) set any V2 as a default. I have no idea why it is so different for you. Well. at least it was an easy fix. Simply had to do a "Get Info" on one V1 file and then change the default app so no V1 files would be opened by V2. (And now that I've removed V2 altogether, it won't be an issue in any case.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Obsolete. Morningstar.pm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangauniversity Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 And now I can't open any of my V1 files, even those that haven't been touched in months, without the app crashing. EDIT: Just checked Activity Monitor after launching the app (not working with it, just launching it) and check this out: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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