ziemowit Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Hi, I've noticed that Artboard tool in V2 works very annoying comparing to V1... If you want to select an artboard, you are forced to click on empty space on it, which sometimes is quite problematic (for example it the whole space is taken by objects). It's not efficient, the tool is selecting objects instead of artboards, please take a look at this short video: Would that be possible to revert this strange behavior in the next update? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 here is another short vid: if I have a rectangle acting as a background, I can't even select the artboard to move it or resize it In my opinion this is a serious step backward in functionality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff EmT Posted November 23, 2022 Staff Share Posted November 23, 2022 Hi @ziemowit I've passed this over to the devs for further investigation Quote How to format a bug report | List of V2 FAQ's | Affinity Photo (V2) Tutorials | Affinity Designer (V2) Tutorials | Affinity Publisher (V2) Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Hi, any update in that matter? I can see that the recent update didn't fix anything:-s It still works super bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff EmT Posted December 20, 2022 Staff Share Posted December 20, 2022 Hi @ziemowit Its still under investigation currently, however I have passed your comments on. Quote How to format a bug report | List of V2 FAQ's | Affinity Photo (V2) Tutorials | Affinity Designer (V2) Tutorials | Affinity Publisher (V2) Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mist65 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 hi @ziemowit maybe it's not the final solution but if you click on the artboard name it is selected (even with the arrow, without using the artboard tool). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 hi, thx but this is a ver big regression in workflow comparing to v1... on some documents I use 30+ artboards. Moving them around, cloning etc. is a nightmare. I regret so much updating to v2... it's a way more unstable and worse software than v1 in so many areas... if I hadn't made projects in v2 I would definitely go back to v1. Aleksandar Kovač and GRAFKOM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 That backwards compatibility issue killed all my chances going back to V1.. V2 has at least 2x the amount of bugs V1 had! It's simply unacceptable that after today's update, NOTHING was fixed. Well, beside the save to external SSD issue which should have been hotfixed 1 week after launch as that was a SERIOUS issue. Aleksandar Kovač 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 I feel you man, they just basically fooled everyone with a bunch of pseudo-improvements and tools that you can easily live without, took the money and after a month they did basically nothing to at least fix the major bugs... for me V2 was just a marketing scam to earn some money, seriously I see 0 benefits after updating to v2, and a ton of bugs. It crashes so often on Macs, exporting multiple pdf in export persona is a nigthmare, even selecting text is causing problems:) Seriously, this is a big joke, no wonder Adobe is holding so good on the martket. I were them, I would release V1 again, call it V3 and take some extra $ for it. For me going back to V1 would be a big step up🤣 Aleksandar Kovač 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 I believe 97% of people here don't work with artboards, as I don't understand how else they are not furious with the constant crashes.. Working with artboards "forces" you to use export persona, where freeze bug lives.. Also working with artboards forces you to move stuff around, revealing selection bug.. For others to understand my frustration, the day before yesterday, I had to modify a project, I was working on it, random crash.. I opened the file again, luckily I had just a few modifications to do, worked on it, hit save... file was on external ssd, so It close on me... I opened it up again, modified, saved to local ssd, went to export persona to export for client - it froze... SO I OPENED IT UP AGAIN and that time it worked. I wonder how many would work like that, on 6-7 different projects (all with 7-10 different artboards) and be sane after a day like that. Aleksandar Kovač 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 I believe web designers use artboards quite often;) Imagine preparing website design, where you have like 30+ different pages. You won't keep them in separate files, because it will slow you down quite a bit. Anyway v2 from my point of view is a major downgrade in stability and usability, if I had a chance, I would definitely go back to v1 and take aa refund, v2 it's so far a beta for me, completely unusable for professionals. GRAFKOM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 any update regarding this matter? Today I updated AD to the new version and liteterally nothing has changed... are you guys even working on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Looking at the status bar at the bottom, to me it seems as if v1 was doing it wrong while v2 now does exactly what it says: Quote Click to select a shape to change the shape's parameters. Note that it never said "Click to select an artboard". But in v1, the Artboard tool was only able to select artboards, not other shapes. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 if you like to select shapes, you do it with move tool, that's what this tool is all about;) When you change to artboard tool, it should select the artboard, not single elements like move tool, which completely doesn't make sense. It was working fine for so many years until v2 happened. norbinw and GRAFKOM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, ziemowit said: if you like to select shapes, you do it with move tool, that's what this tool is all about;) Actually it's not so. You can select objects with many a specific creation tool, depending on what and where you're clicking with it. That's definitely intentional and "by design" as already confirmed by staff elsewhere. Hence my "gut feeling" that this change from v1 might have been intentional. So let's wait what staff has to say here. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 well, if so, that would be a huuuge downgrade in usability... imagine a project of huge website, where you have like 20-30 artboards. If you quickly want to select 5-10 of them and duplicate them, there was nothing quicker than clicking them holding cmd key, duplicating and repositiong. Now it really sucks. Tbo: I don't believe it was a "bug" in previous version and it should work like it is working now in V2. Do you really believe they wouldn't change that behaviour since version 1.0?;) If this was working for years like that - in my opinion this is the proper behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 But why would we want another tool to do what the move tool does? What kind of F-d logic is that? Have all the tools select objects, but no tool to select artboards fast.. By clicking on an object with the artboard tool, it does exactly what the artboard tool shouldn't do. Isn't it logical to select artboard tool because I want to add/modify artboard? Why not make the color picker select objects? Maybe I want to select objects with the color picker then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 @norbinw: lol, you got the point in the brutal kungfu style ;D Exactly right. In this case selecting anything with artboard tool doesn't make any sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) It's not about hating on other people, it's about getting the app fixed and improved!!! It has potential. Funny how every bug is logged, forwarded, but ignored at next update... Edited January 31, 2023 by Leigh Devs and Support are people too :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 nobody said anything about hating etc. I just want to have AT LEAST the producitivity and functions of version 1. For now I feel like I made a major downgrade and paid some cash for it... If they want to ever compete with Adobe - well this approach isn't the right way imo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, ziemowit said: If this was working for years like that - in my opinion this is the proper behaviour In theory. In practice, not always: Some bugs may have persisted for so long or even gone unnoticed that we have learned to work with them. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, ziemowit said: imo This being the keyword here. I, for one, don't mind this change. But that could be just me. Meh. Obviously, Serif can't please everybody. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 That comment was for loukash, he seems to accept things "as is". That's not how things work.. it needs improvement because it's more logical to use that tool as in V1. You don't know how annoying a small thing like this is, until you work with a lot of artboards.. But yeah, V2 so far is pretty bad.. I got it for the warp tool, which I haven't used yet.. And for the knife tool. Other than that, a LOT of bad bugs in V2, and it's been enough time since release. OFFTOPIC: This is how devs work nowadays, release a poop, then polish it. Look in the gaming world! Cyberpunk, Battlefield 2042, Callisto Protocol and so on.. I am so fed up with this mentality because whatever I purchase, I have to wait for the fixes.. the only thing you can do is come to the forum and post again and again, because otherwise they will bury it and when V3 comes out, you have the same bugs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 I don't understand how this topic is related to artboard tool tbo. "Some bugs may have persisted for so long or even gone unnoticed that we have learned to work with them." - oh that's great to hear;D This speaks a lot of developers... I'm not sure why you treat this as a normal behaviour, it doesn't make any sense. Where do you find any benefit being able to select "objects" with artboard tool? It's clearly a bug, because if you manage to click the white/transparent background - you can select artboard. But if you click any object inside, it works like a move tool, not artboard tool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziemowit Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 @norbinw you're completely right, but the thing is you can't run a business like that nowadays, if you aim for a professional market. I can understand minor bugs etc., but this version is a pure joke. I just can't imagine how they could release such a shitty software to people who work with it on a daily basis, making a living from it. I know that they earned extra ton of money making this move, because it was dedicated to their current customers, so easy cash... It all looks veeeery "scamishy" if you consider what they actually added to the V2 - these features are no deal breakers in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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