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Some feedback for next edition. 

Just a quick list that probably scratches the surface because I just can't go any further. 

1. Scaling is not called scaling - small thing - This is from version one and I didn't spend long looking again in Version 2. Nevermind.. small thing but.. call it scaling ? no? 

2 BIG THING - NO links panel.  From version 1 I found it was called resource manager and is a window you have to open… not a panel. But having trouble finding that in version 2. Just make a links panel. A real pain. Double clicking on a placed ad opens it inside the document but that takes up space in the document if it's embedded.  There must be a way to just link it and I can't figure that one out quickly either. 

3 I can’t find a scissor tool to cut a border or line. Must be there somewhere?

4. Selecting a text box outside the print area… it’s turning into a type tool.  Holy CRAP

5. Some items outside the print area don’t even show up. 

6. Right click on an indesign placed file and you have choices to edit in.. add a hyperlink etc. A much easier way to figure things out. 

7. InDesign tools don't waste space in the tools pallets and upper areas like Publisher does. 

I wish I had more time to look deeper and look at some videos but this is just not going to work for me. 

I give up. I really wanted this to be a great software that was simpler than InDesign and it's not even close.  I know there is a learning curve to anything you pick up.  Also took a quick look at the iPad version.  Cool but it's just another learning curve different from Publisher desktop. At least try to make the tools in the similar locations. Again.. I haven't spent the time to compare so perhaps I'm not being fair to iPad version. 

I’m sure there are some things that are better than InDesign, like many of the shapes and even the speech bubble tool … but that's just a bit of toying around and the only thing I can think of that's better. Something I'll use twice a year if that. I have speech bubbles all made up in InDesign anyway. 

I am so sorry that I cannot work in Publisher. I have been a DTP since 1985 and I just can't get anywhere. So.. it is far easier to stick to InDesign and pay the bucks. OUCH !!!!!! :(



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23 minutes ago, BLKay said:

Scaling is not called scaling

Where is it called anything else?


24 minutes ago, BLKay said:

was called resource manager and is a window you have to open… not a panel. But having trouble finding that in version 2

It was moved to the Window menu, as was explained in the video that was put out demonstrating most of the changes.  That is a great thing because it really should have been there in the first place.


25 minutes ago, BLKay said:

I can’t find a scissor tool to cut a border or line. Must be there somewhere?

Publisher does not have the knife tool, but Designer does, and you can access it from the Designer persona within Publisher if you have both apps.


26 minutes ago, BLKay said:

Some items outside the print area don’t even show up. 

View -> View Mode -> Clip To Canvas

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oh please tell me where scale is? I must have found it in version 1.  I can find it in the tools in InDesign and even if I right click an item it's on the list.  I can search in help in InDesign and it shows me where.  So at least 3 places to find it.  A simple simple tool like this should be easily found.  Not in Publisher. Yes, I know it's there... but I can't find it with 5 minutes looking.  Yes I know I could google it or watch some videos.  Reminds me of the first Macintosh commercials though.  IBM learn this.. a pile of manuals.  MacIntosh... a thin book falls to the table.  Which, none of us needed because Macintosh was that simple.  No manual needed, intuitive is the key.  And ya I know InDesign is not that intuitive either, but seems to be much more than APublisher.  That said, I find Illustrator very frustrating for simple tasks that should be easy. It's always been a big pain since I first looked at Illustrator 88.   I used SuperPaint which was very powerful yet...... amazingly... it was a Childs program.  Adobe bought it and killed it so we had to use photoshop which was.... not bad and very good now. Still not that intuitive of course.  I know powerful software is difficult to make simple. There's Photoshop Elements for that. I was shocked to find about a decade ago or more that Photoshop Elements had an 'auto level' or 'auto square' setting when you scanned things in, yet the full version of Photoshop did not... at 7 times the price.  Things like that make no sense.  It seems to me that software engineers don't talk much to the actual people that use the software. Nor try it out on .... KIDS? haha. .. or me... lol .. the non instruction book reader that I am.  Yes, I do read the instructions when I put my BBQ together !!!  

PS- I'd also like to add the tool pallet is not dockable to the right side which is where I put it in InDesign. Personal preference. I did find how to undock in Publisher and made it into one column. So, yes, I can find things.  lol 

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clip to canvas made all the items in the pasteboard disappear.  Perhaps I was not clear, sorry.  If I select the arrow and go select an item on the pasteboard (off the print area) I cannot move the object because it selects the text.  There must be another setting I'm missing.  NOTE: this is a file I idml and imported into Publisher. Perhaps it's just a glitch.  Perhaps best if I started over, which of course means yet another strike for Affinity since I have probably ..... over 10,000 files or more in InDesign.  I guess hoping this would work is a dream.  I did switch from Ready,Set,Go to InDesign by PDF ing all my RSG files and pasting them into InDesign. Then when someone had an ad change I'd remake the file in InDesign. This allowed me time to get it done through time instead of every ad in one week.  So it's not impossible. I have to say that's obviously Publisher is far better than Ready,Set,Go. Or at least much more powerful obviously.  MacPublisher from 1984 was very powerful. Must have been made by print people for sure.  Yet version 1,2 and 3 crashed on our 512k Mac and was useless. Same as Pagemaker.  Ready,Set,Go was the first to work perfectly and did a few things that InDesign still doesn't do. Long gone now.  I managed to avoid Quark all together. The $800 price tag was just too much back then and I didn't like it or Pagemaker.  I am really routing for Affinity. It seems they have some great ideas and I hope they are reading some of these simple problems. Whether it is just me and my opinion and I'm way off?  I'm not sure. 

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As for the resource manager. I found it again.  It cannot be docked and it cannot even be made small enough to stay open. 

The scissor tool. Oh yes.. thanks... that makes good sense. :)  Designer.  It also has the text warping tools correct?  I like that. I've been suggesting that in InDesign for .. well.. before InDesign.  There was an Aldus software called TypeTwister.  Which truly was a kids software.  So tight and small yet so powerful. It only made it to version 1.01 I think. Then Adobe bought Aldus and killed that.  It was such a tiny program I'm sure it could have easily fit into InDesign.  The best part is it had presets and save your own. Ugly as heck but amazingly powerful and simple.  TypeStyler was another amazing program that went away, then came back but now only works with Mojave and older. Truly powerful. 

Which reminds me of a new software that blows me away.  In my opinion it's the best software designed since those great days of simplicity. It's a web designer called Sparkle.  Not a great name but wow, it could nearly be a DTP software.  No reading a manual (or much) on this one.  I haven't looked at it for a while but it's truly simple and powerful if you're into that. Would work well with Affinity Software users I'm sure. 

ok.. enough from me.  Thanks for the help fde101 

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6 hours ago, BLKay said:

oh please tell me where scale is?

Scaling is done in the same way as it was in version 1:


To scale the entire object, use the Move Tool (shortcut V) and drag the handles on the bounding box.  


If you want to scale a set of nodes in a curve object, use the Node Tool (shortcut A).  Select the nodes you want to scale, activate Transform Mode (found next to the "Transform:" label on the context toolbar), and you will see a bounding box around the selected nodes which you can then use to move, scale, rotate or shear that set of nodes, the same way you would use the Move Tool to perform those operations on the entire object.


The Move Tool transforms entire objects, while the Node Tool works on individual nodes/parameters or sets of nodes of an object.


7 hours ago, BLKay said:

I know InDesign is not that intuitive either, but seems to be much more than APublisher.

Only because you are already familiar with it.  I personally find the Affinity software to be much more sensible in its interface than the Adobe stuff is, but then again I have spent more time with it.


6 hours ago, BLKay said:

If I select the arrow and go select an item on the pasteboard (off the print area) I cannot move the object because it selects the text.

Without seeing it I'm not sure what is happening.  If you double-click on a text object, it will switch to one of the text tools so you can edit the text (this is provided as a shortcut).  If that happened and you are working with artistic text you will not be able to move it unless you switch to the move tool; if you are working with a text frame you can still drag it by the bounding box (watch for the mouse pointer to change as you move over the box).

If you have the move tool selected, you should be able to drag the object around (either type) as long as you don't double-click.

If you have the node tool selected, you won't be able to move either type of object.


6 hours ago, BLKay said:

It cannot be docked and it cannot even be made small enough to stay open. 

Correct, this has not changed, though many have requested it.


6 hours ago, BLKay said:

It also has the text warping tools correct?

Both Designer and Publisher can put text on a path (you don't need Designer for that).

To warp the shape of the text you need Designer, though you can access that functionality from within the Designer persona within Publisher if you have them both (same as with the knife tool).

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So there is no scaling box with numbers you can type in to make an object(s) go down a certain percentage? I knew about the scaling with the nodes, which is in all apps I'd think.  In Ready,Set,Go I think you'd double click an item and all the numbers and settings would be in a box. Which was a simple way of doing it. Yes nodes are better but at times you just want numbers in a box. 

As for the 'dragging' a text box back from the pasteboard to the print area, this was done with the arrow tool and just one click.  I agree you'd have to see it.  It is 100% a glitch that may only be in my file because it is from an ,idml file conversion perhaps.  

It is really bothering me that it's just not good enough for me. As you say there are some better things in Publisher than InDesign but for me there are just too many things that are better in InDesign so far.   I do wonder what laws or reasons keep Affinity to much more closely matching InDesigns UI.  Even if they made Publisher more customizable so you can just make it yourself.  Adobe did much of this copycat with Quark and won the battle.  In my opinion good advice for Affinity. .. bearing in mind lawyers and crap.  There are so many things that no lawyer can touch I'm sure.  Docking the tool pallet to the right side... resource panel docking and character pallet on top row like InDesign. I get that it's my opinion and preference but if they want to take over the world like Adobe then this transition has to be much easier. 

I do love the way Publisher can open a PDF.  Why InDesign cannot do this is baffling. Using Illustrator to do so loses so much and is not my workflow.  I've used my purchased Publisher v1 to open a few PDFs with great success.  In some ways it was better than the idml route.  I forget why but it is a great feature.  

I have my fingers crossed that Affinity can somehow copy InDesign like Adobe did with Quark, to make the big shift to affordable and simple software. 

I guess I should be trying out Photos or Designer v2 as I use Sketchbook to do my cartoons and illustrator to trace.  The thing I love about Sketchbook is the ability to have more than one pen/pencil/brush and different size erasers on the tool pallet at the same time. So changing back and forth is very easy.  I am worried that Sketchbook may be discontinued one day and I'll be stuck like I was without SuperPaint and Typetwister. Which again was axed by Adobe.  bums Just ticks me off I am giving them all this moola now.  Way too much moola for once a week work.  But, hey, it's my living so there ya go.  Also ticks me off that Apple raised their pricing for Apple +.  Record profits and tough times with so much inflation and these big companies know they got us.  So I am routing big time for Affinity !!!!! 


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So having to type in a percent % in what is usually a size number.  Great tip is right.  But, not very intuitive.  "Read the book". haha..  Reminds me of this retired military guy in a mechanics class I took in the 70's.  When someone had a dumb.. or not so dumb question.. he'd say in his accent.  "Reeead the book".  So we all used that when we were answering questions anyone had.   "reeead the boooook".   So true here. 

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