One time payment they said, free updates they said

[ADesigner]

11 minutes ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I just quoted the price off the Affinity web site.

You're Lucky!!!!!

[chakko007]

It says "VAT included". I have no idea how much VAT is in the UK, but, can't be that much?

Interestingly, the discounted price (35,99 pounds) is not that far off the € pricing. 9 € difference, while it's 17 € for the full price.

[Helmar]

11 minutes ago, ADesigner said:

Once again, try to imagine that you cannot write or design text in a design program.. It's a shameful thing V1 V2 V100 

For your info, I moved all my books from InDesign to Publisher/Designer, about half a dozen of them, then added another half a dozen in the suite. I got them all done, printed and published just fine - some with over 600 pages. Yes, there can be improvements, and I always posted them here in the forum. I'm happy to now have the book feature, footnotes and mesh warp. Very happy, in fact. 

To use the word "shameful" about this inexpensive and well-supported software suite tells a lot about you, and it's not complimentary. If you're frustrated, get over it and use something else. I'm sure you'll find something that suits you. Bad-mouthing Serif isn't getting you anywhere and isn't doing yourself any favour either.

[Tourmaline]

Just now, chakko007 said:

Why do you compare apples to oranges? You compare a discounted price to a non discounted price.

Already told you that I bought APhoto and ADesigner for 27 € each, which would be much less for all 3 apps.

So did I at the time, but prices have gone up since 5 years have been past...I think it's quite reasonable considering prices of other companies.

 

I Would like to pay prices of 20 years ago for gas and electrical bill but that is not going to happen, is it.Given situation at this point, it's a fair price.

[chakko007]

8 minutes ago, Tourmaline said:

I Would like to pay prices of 20 years ago for gas and electrical bill but that is not going to happen, is it.

That's also apples and oranges.

Especially as the prices for energy would have been avoidable, with a different policy.

Anyway, I'll happily admit that you have a point saying that they're still reasonable prices compared to other software. Don't want to talk about "competition", because, as you say, both the Adobe and the Corel apps are much longer in development. 

Nonetheless, for someone like me who isn't a power user, and specifically chose the Affinity apps for their low cost, 60% more costs is a bit hard to digest.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I respect you guys for having a positive attitude towards these apps. Nothing worse than people who try to ruin everything. But, I definitely think there is a reason to criticize when the prices increase a lot in a short period of time. If I recall correctly, the apps were still prices 54,99 € a year or 1 1/2 years ago or so. It might not hurt you yet, but, who knows what these apps will cost in a year or two?

[ADesigner]

1 minute ago, Helmar said:

For your info, I moved all my books from InDesign to Publisher/Designer, about half a dozen of them, then added another half a dozen in the suite. I got them all done, printed and published just fine - sold with over 600 pages. Yes, there can be improvements, and I always posted them here in the forum. I'm happy to now have the book feature, footnotes and mesh warp. Very happy, in fact. 

To use the word "shameful" about this inexpensive and well-supported software suite tells a lot about you, and it's not complimentary. If you're frustrated, get over it and use something else. I'm sure you'll find something that suits you. Bad-mouthing Serif isn't getting you anywhere and isn't doing yourself any favour either.

Contrary to what you think, I support these programs and that is why I continue with them.. You have the right to defend your company as you wish. This is a good thing.. But if you attack my person, this is unacceptable. The topic is .. if you are going to talk to me again, do not forget to have some respect for yourself so as not to waste my time teaching you that again .. and there is no need to drag Adobe products for comparison here, as I do not care about them and do not wait for a sales representative to convince me of another product

[Metalhead]

20 minutes ago, Tourmaline said:

Might have to do with tax rates. American price is usually shown without tax added. not sure in the UK.

Nope - They just drastically increase the euro price without touching USD/GBP prices in relation.

From the old Photo 1.5 video:

[garrettm30]

2 minutes ago, Metalhead said:

Nope - They just drastically increase the euro price without touching USD/GBP prices in relation.

Could this have anything to do with it?

[Metalhead]

15 minutes ago, garrettm30 said:

Could this have anything to do with it?

48.99 GBP = 55.61 EUR -> MSRP 54.99 EUR

59.99 GBP = 68.07 EUR -> MSRP 84.99 EUR

[Tourmaline]

32 minutes ago, chakko007 said:

That's also apples and oranges.

Especially as the prices for energy would have been avoidable, with a different policy.

Anyway, I'll happily admit that you have a point saying that they're still reasonable prices compared to other software. Don't want to talk about "competition", because, as you say, both the Adobe and the Corel apps are much longer in development. 

Nonetheless, for someone like me who isn't a power user, and specifically chose the Affinity apps for their low cost, 60% more costs is a bit hard to digest.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I respect you guys for having a positive attitude towards these apps. Nothing worse than people who try to ruin everything. But, I definitely think there is a reason to criticize when the prices increase a lot in a short period of time. If I recall correctly, the apps were still prices 54,99 € a year or 1 1/2 years ago or so. It might not hurt you yet, but, who knows what these apps will cost in a year or two?

buy the apps on sale....black friday is comming up soon or at christmas time....

[jochoalions]

I am VERY HAPPY to pay $99 for the Version 2 Universal License.  I will also pay for future versions. I am a happy customer and use these applications extensibly every single day. Kudos to Affinity and their entire teams; keep up the excellent work, and keep chipping away at the bug lists and feature requests.

[thomasp]

UK prices are quoted with VAT, same as in Euroland: 20% in the UK and 19-20something in the Eurozone, depending on country - so that's not it.

I noticed the price had exploded. I think mine also were around 35 Euros or so per license. To compare that with a (presumably temporary) discounted introductory offer and then claim that there was no overall price increase .... well 😂.

 

[garrettm30]

11 minutes ago, Metalhead said:

48.99 GBP = 55.61 EUR -> MSRP 54.99 EUR

59.99 GBP = 68.07 EUR -> MSRP 84.99 EUR

I had to study what you wrote for a bit to get it, but I see it now. This forum has been hopping today, and as I have been jumping around among all the threads, I lost track of the various prices in each place (four different prices per currency).

So the question is why the single app full price in euro versus GBP has a larger discrepancy? I can't answer it.

[ashf]

I'm not interested in participating arguing over this topic.

Does anyone know Affinity's price history other than in USD?
In USD, there were only two, $49.99 then raised to $54.99 while V1.

[Metalhead]

3 minutes ago, garrettm30 said:

So the question is why the single app full price in euro versus GBP has a larger discrepancy? I can't answer it.

Yes. The app bundle, too.

2 minutes ago, ashf said:

I'm not interested in participating arguing over this topic.

Does anyone know Affinity's price history other than in USD?
In USD, there were only two, $49.99 then raised to $54.99 while V1.

Affinity Photo V1: € 49.99 -> € 54.99 -> € 64.99

[ADesigner]

1 hour ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I don't really want to get into an argument about this. Perhaps you don't program? I've programmed professionally for more than 25 years. I don't do graphics software. But I have often encountered people over the years who think that such and such a thing is easy or primitive to program when it is not.

You are correct.. It is tiring.. and it took many hours of my time to find a solution despite the lack of code in the first place.. It took about five hours, not five years!!!.. I am waiting for an update or an official fix from the developers of the application for all who face the same problem and thank you for your understanding

[Mystical]

46 minutes ago, jochoalions said:

I am VERY HAPPY to pay $99 for the Version 2 Universal License.  I will also pay for future versions. I am a happy customer and use these applications extensibly every single day. Kudos to Affinity and their entire teams; keep up the excellent work, and keep chipping away at the bug lists and feature requests.

I agree. No online always subscription fees and only having to pay for big version number updates is ok by me.

[Mithferion]

2 hours ago, BitzSec said:

Release tons of updates with more bugs and glitches appearing every update

Software itself in a nutshell.

Best regards!

[ronnyb]

1 hour ago, Tourmaline said:

I Would like to pay prices of 20 years ago for gas and electrical bill but that is not going to happen, is it. Given situation at this point, it's a fair price.

It is a very fair price. As for gas and electrical, make sure not to vote for democrats/socialists/communists and prices should be ok 🤣

[Hexara]

2 hours ago, Helmar said:

Buy Adobe. End of story. You can win awards without RTL. The world doesn't revolve around it.

If only the opposite scenario took place, I wonder how you would react then. Imagine if Affinity's software simply supported RTL by default but not LTR. I'm sure you will be the first person to whine about that.

[Hexara]

2 hours ago, Helmar said:

That's life, I'm afraid. To expect perfection for this little money is delusional. Bugs will exist as long as software does, and yes, it would be nice if v1 was bug free. It isn't. Period. If you feel v2 is worth the cost, order it. If not, move on. Complaining here doesn't help or change anything. Good luck!

Did you even read my first post thorougly? I mentioned that updates bring "MORE BUGS" with them.

[Hexara]

2 hours ago, LondonSquirrel said:

I don't really want to get into an argument about this. Perhaps you don't program? I've programmed professionally for more than 25 years. I don't do graphics software. But I have often encountered people over the years who think that such and such a thing is easy or primitive to program when it is not.

Is it that hard that it took them 5-6 years and still not implemented? Can't take that, sorry.

[fde101]

11 hours ago, chakko007 said:

Wonder why the UK folks pay so much less.

Serif is based in the UK, so they probably don't need to pay currency conversion fees and the like when working in their native currency.

[chakko007]

Currency conversion fees are surely not 17 € for the full price of these apps. I also pay internationally with Paypal sometimes, and, I've never seen such fees.

[Tia Lapis]

And here it goes again. One would think people had accepted finally that support for Arabic script is not important to Serif. It really starts to grind my nerves 8(