Artboard is described as Rectangle?

[Pšenda]

[Dan C]

Thanks @Pšenda, I've logged this with the devs for both macOS and Windows

[Pšenda]

On 11/9/2022 at 7:41 PM, Dan C said:

I've logged this with the devs for both macOS and Windows

After more than half a year and after updating to 2.1.0 😲

 

[Dan C]

Thanks for bumping this thread, sorry to see this remains unresolved. I've bumped the issue with the team to bring it to their attention once again

[Pšenda]

After updating to 2.1.1

Apparently a very difficult bug🙄

[Komatös]

13 hours ago, Pšenda said:

After updating to 2.1.1

Apparently a very difficult bug🙄

When you create an object with the Form shape tool and make an artboard out of it, the description text shows the name of the basic form.

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Komatös said:

the Form tool

Named the Shape Tool in English (to avoid confusion with the kind of form that contains form fields for the user to fill in).

[Ron P.]

On 6/24/2023 at 4:42 AM, Komatös said:

When you create an object with the Form shape tool and make an artboard out of it, the description text shows the name of the basic form.

No it does not. Did you hover your mouse over the # to the left of the Artboard? It still will show Rectangle.

 

[Alfred]

On 6/24/2023 at 10:42 AM, Komatös said:

When you create an object with the Form shape tool and make an artboard out of it, the description text shows the name of the basic form.

 

1 hour ago, Ron P. said:

No it does not. Did you hover your mouse over the # to the left of the Artboard? It still will show Rectangle.

 

The mouse pointer is clearly visible in the screenshot that @Komatös posted:

On 6/24/2023 at 10:42 AM, Komatös said:

How did you create your octagonal artboard? It looks like a rectangle with chamfered corners.

[Ron P.]

Yes I did see what his cursor was pointing at. However this thread is about the Artboard tool tip showing Rectangle, and not Artboard?

In my example if I hovered over the layer inside the Artboard, which is an Ellipse, the tooltip states Ellipse. I created it by creating an Ellipse shape, then using the Artboard tool, in the Context toolbar, I choose Selection from the drop-down, and Insert Artboard. It's an Ellipse, but for some reason the icon looks like it was clipped by the rectangular shape of the Artboard.

[Alfred]

1 minute ago, Ron P. said:

Yes I did see what his cursor was pointing at. However this thread is about the Artboard tool tip showing Rectangle, and not Artboard?

Thanks, Ron. I missed that important detail because your screenshot didn’t include the cursor.

3 minutes ago, Ron P. said:

In my example if I hovered over the layer inside the Artboard, which is an Ellipse, the tooltip states Ellipse. I created it by creating an Ellipse shape, then using the Artboard tool, in the Context toolbar, I choose Selection from the drop-down, and Insert Artboard. It's an Ellipse, but for some reason the icon looks like it was clipped by the rectangular shape of the Artboard.

I see what you mean now.

[Ron P.]

1 minute ago, Alfred said:

Thanks, Ron. I missed that important detail because your screenshot didn’t include the cursor.

My screen capture program doesn't always capture the cursor.

[Pšenda]

On 6/24/2023 at 11:42 AM, Komatös said:

the description text shows the name of the basic form.

Menu New, Create artboard checked, Create -> Hint for Artboard icon in Layers panel is Rectangle.

[Komatös]

9 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Menu New, Create artboard checked, Create -> Hint for Artboard icon in Layers panel is Rectangle.

That's exactly how it is. Why is the created artboard displayed as a rectangle? Because all newly created documents have a rectangular shape. Sure, the developers could change the object name to Artboard. But honestly, whether rectangle or artboard is displayed is as uninteresting as the news that a sack of rice has fallen over in China.

[Pšenda]

5 hours ago, Komatös said:

But honestly, whether rectangle or artboard is displayed is as uninteresting as the news that a sack of rice has fallen over in China.

Hmm, so the hint/tooltip describing the meaning of the icon should be completely canceled, because according to you, it is completely unnecessary and uninteresting information (although when naming a layer, it is the only information to understand the often unclear meaning of the icon). Thanks for the excellent tip and developer request.

[Pšenda]

After update to 2.2.0.2005:

[walt.farrell]

50 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

After update to 2.2.0.2005:

I would expect that, as the bug was not listed as fixed and the Serif Info Bot has not posted to tell us it was.

[Pšenda]

After update to 2.2.1.2075:

Info specifically for @walt - no, I didn't expect this bug to be fixed, and it certainly doesn't surprise me anymore (rewriting the word "Rectangle" to "Artboard" is just a very difficult task).

[Dan C]

5 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

(rewriting the word "Rectangle" to "Artboard" is just a very difficult task).

There is more to the above issue than simple wording - as I understand it the reason an Artboard is described as a Rectangle is due to the way Artboards are programmatically used in Affinity.

Essentially when exporting Artboard documents, all containing layers are exported nested within a vector 'Rectangle' in order to be compatible with vector formats that don't understand the concept of an 'Artboard' outside of Affinity.

I am not claiming this issue cannot be fixed, but it is important to know this is more than a simple UI error and is actually displayed as such due to how Artboards are created in the backend code of the Affinity apps.

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, Dan C said:

as I understand it the reason an Artboard is described as a Rectangle is due to the way Artboards are programmatically used in Affinity.

If it is as you write - then why is the "icon" showing the layer type correct?!! And why is the "label" descripting the layer type correct?!!

Why isn't the correct hint/tooltip assigned to this correct icon and correct description of the layer after the correct detection of the layer type (regardless of the complexity of creating and exporting this object)?
I understand that the problem can be with the Shape layer type, where you still need to specify a specific type of shape (rectangle, ellipse, ...), but in the case of Artboards it's quite simple - as the correctly detected and assigned icons and description suggest.

P.S. I think that the layer type is analyzed unnecessarily for the hint/tooltip - just use the information on the basis of which the description of the unnamed layer is created.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Pšenda

[Dan C]

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

then why is the "icon" showing the layer type correct?!! And why is the "label" descripting the layer type correct?!!

Unfortunately I can't comment on the icon as I'm not personally certain how these are obtained and displayed by the app for each object currently, though I can verify the layer name (which is user definable) is a completely separate layer property, which has been present in the Affinity apps pre-version 2 - unlike the layer 'tags' - and therefore is completely independent.

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

Why isn't the correct hint/tooltip assigned to this correct icon and correct description of the layer after the correct detection of the layer type (regardless of the complexity of creating and exporting this object)?
I understand that the problem can be with the Shape layer type, where you still need to specify a specific type of shape (rectangle, ellipse, ...), but in the case of Artboards it's quite simple - as the correctly detected and assigned icons and description suggest.

I can only provide the information I am given from our team internally, and based on the info I can publicly share, I understand that the cause of this issue is currently due to how artboards are handled within Affinity - as a sudo Rectangle object, therefore I don't believe this to simply be a change of text string within the Affinity codebase to resolve the tooltip issue, and that is what I wanted to clarify here.

I don't disagree that the label should be correct and show 'Artboard' for these objects, so rest assured I have updated the development log regarding this issue for you once again.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Artboard's Layer Panel tooltip displays as 'Rectangle'" (REF: AF-831) has been fixed by the developers in internal build "2.3.0.2139".
This fix should soon be available as a customer beta and is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Serif Info Bot to notify us.

[Pšenda]

Thanks for the fix - in version 2.3, the layer type icon, its description and tooltip already match.

However, I would like to make a small comment about the appearance of the icon for the Artboard layer type.
In the description of the layer type, it is stated that Artboard is an design "area".

Artboard Tools icon represents/characterizes this design area quite appropriately.

Why wasn't a similarly shaped icon like a dashed square used for the layer type, but a grid-like symbol or some sort of hashtag?