Sharkey Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 As the title suggests. Does HEIF have advantages and can they be taken advantage of in AF? Quote MacPro (late 2013), 24Gb Ram, D300GPU, Eizo 24",1TB Samsung 850 Archive, 2x2Tb Time Machine,X-t2 plus 50-140mm & 18-55mm. AP, FRV & RawFile Converter (Silkypix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 HEIF = what is it isn't that a typical question for an internet search? Just curios: where did you read "HEIF" without getting a rough idea at least? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFault Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 It is complex, similar to USB or HDMI with multiple versions and misleading naming. HEIF is a container format, similar to TIFF. As its relatively new, support from app vendors, OS, and imaging devices like photo cameras varies. On Windows, HEIF is support, but no fun to use. Windows Explorer has severe performance issues when accessing metadata like image size from HEIF files. On Mac & iPad, its supported in general, with some caveats. As it is a container format, there are countless vendor specific standards. You need to check if the HEIF files of your Camera are fully supported in your OS and app, for both reading and writing. Nice features from user perspective: better compression / smaller files (than jpeg) supports more than 8 bit color depth (HDR, less banding) supports alpha channel (e.g. Apple depth map) Disadvantages: every vendor has its own subset of features (e.g. Apple uses only 8 bit color depth despite the HEIF formst supports more, Sony or Canon using different features) compatibility issues (e.g. older PC / OS unable to read / write HEIF files) performance issues (at least on Windows 10) Some OS configured to automatically convert to JPEG if sending files via email, removing its advantages Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | Windows 10 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format (HEIF) Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 6:14 PM, thomaso said: HEIF = what is it isn't that a typical question for an internet search? Just curios: where did you read "HEIF" without getting a rough idea at least? Perhaps, unlike yourself; a well read, highly intelligent master of both internet and photographic nomenclature, I am simply asking a question of a group of people who might know the answer. The words and language of todays techno-crap photography are a shield behind which un-talented, egocentric, self important humans may hide. By all means accept this as an apology for just sayin'. emmrecs01 and R C-R 2 Quote MacPro (late 2013), 24Gb Ram, D300GPU, Eizo 24",1TB Samsung 850 Archive, 2x2Tb Time Machine,X-t2 plus 50-140mm & 18-55mm. AP, FRV & RawFile Converter (Silkypix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 9:57 PM, NotMyFault said: It is complex, similar to USB or HDMI with multiple versions and misleading naming. HEIF is a container format, similar to TIFF. As its relatively new, support from app vendors, OS, and imaging devices like photo cameras varies. On Windows, HEIF is support, but no fun to use. Windows Explorer has severe performance issues when accessing metadata like image size from HEIF files. On Mac & iPad, its supported in general, with some caveats. As it is a container format, there are countless vendor specific standards. You need to check if the HEIF files of your Camera are fully supported in your OS and app, for both reading and writing. Nice features from user perspective: better compression / smaller files (than jpeg) supports more than 8 bit color depth (HDR, less banding) supports alpha channel (e.g. Apple depth map) Disadvantages: every vendor has its own subset of features (e.g. Apple uses only 8 bit color depth despite the HEIF formst supports more, Sony or Canon using different features) compatibility issues (e.g. older PC / OS unable to read / write HEIF files) performance issues (at least on Windows 10) Some OS configured to automatically convert to JPEG if sending files via email, removing its advantages Thank you for that. It may take me a while to understand it all but I really do appreciate the effort made to answer the question. Quote MacPro (late 2013), 24Gb Ram, D300GPU, Eizo 24",1TB Samsung 850 Archive, 2x2Tb Time Machine,X-t2 plus 50-140mm & 18-55mm. AP, FRV & RawFile Converter (Silkypix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sharkey said: Perhaps, unlike yourself; a well read, highly intelligent master of both internet and photographic nomenclature, I am simply asking a question of a group of people who might know the answer. As the complexity of an issue increases, the meaning of the question "What is ...?" diminishes. "Container = what is?" … "Image = what is?" … "Intelligence = what is?" … "Love = what is?" … Nevertheless, there ARE answers to this "simply asked" question … that is what made your question confusing. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 So simply posting this information as an answer to my question was possible. Who would have thought it. Quote MacPro (late 2013), 24Gb Ram, D300GPU, Eizo 24",1TB Samsung 850 Archive, 2x2Tb Time Machine,X-t2 plus 50-140mm & 18-55mm. AP, FRV & RawFile Converter (Silkypix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sharkey said: So simply posting this information as an answer to my question was possible. Who would have thought it. If you mean the info in the last post above by @thomaso, then please note that you could have seen the same thing if you had done a web search on (for example) "HEIF = what is it." The main benefit of doing this yourself is you get results immediately, instead of having to wait for others to post replies in this forum. A secondary benefit is you get a lot of results with different levels of detail, some describing complexities & nuances that may help you better understand when, how, or why you might want to use that format for various tasks. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFault Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sharkey said: So simply posting this information as an answer to my question was possible. Who would have thought it. You have done everything right, and you are welcome. Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | Windows 10 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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