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Hi,

An issue, that seems to never have been solved in InDesign, is a way to relink multiple broken cross-references at once. You move a document to a different book, maybe for reuse in a different publication, and the cross-references point either to the older publication, or are just broken.

To locate them, I rename the containing folder of the older publication, and check for broken links in the new one.

But then I have to relink each broken link one by one.

Since documents of a book/publication are usually kept in the same folder, I sincerely hope that Publisher will be able to let us select all the broken cross-references, and then point to the containing folder of the new publication.

Even better, it would be if Publisher at first started checking for links in the current folder, instead of following an absolute path.

Paolo

 

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I'm not sure what you mean by cross-references. It's usually used to mean something like "see x on page nn" within the text of a book.

You seem to simply be taking about linked files, and the issue of changing their location. 

If that's it, then the functionality is already there to relink everything that is missing but is in the same folder. 

Originally this was done by opening the parent document, and choosing Yes when prompted to handle the missing files. You would then locate the first missing file, and while processing that one Affinity would process others in the same folder.

More recently, you can choose Resource Manager when prompted, and use Relink from that dialog.

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13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure what you mean by cross-references. It's usually used to mean something like "see x on page nn" within the text of a book

Thank you, Walt, but by "cross-references" I mean "cross-references"! :)

The way relinking images works might work as well for cross-references.

Paolo

 

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2 hours ago, PaoloT said:

... is a way to relink multiple broken cross-references at once. You move a document to a different book, maybe for reuse in a different publication, and the cross-references point either to the older publication, or are just broken.

In this scenario would the moved document be an Affinity Publisher Document or a MS Word Document?

The Cross References in the document are pointing to words/pages/definitions where? The same file or a different file?

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40 minutes ago, PaoloT said:

but by "cross-references" I mean "cross-references"! 

Then you're using it in a way the rest of the world (at least, English-speaking) doesn't, as far as I know :)

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2 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

In this scenario would the moved document be an Affinity Publisher Document or a MS Word Document?The Cross References in the document are pointing to words/pages/definitions where? The same file or a different file?

I guess cross-references can only work between document generated by the same program. The problem doesn't sussist inside the same document, but between different documents of a book.

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Then you're using it in a way the rest of the world (at least, English-speaking) doesn't, as far as I know :)

Funny how our brain tricks us. I bet you read "InDesign" in my original post, but your mind translated it to "Publisher"? :)

Paolo

 

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47 minutes ago, PaoloT said:

Funny how our brain tricks us. I bet you read "InDesign" in my original post, but your mind translated it to "Publisher

Perhaps, but you ended up discussing Publisher :)

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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Perhaps, but you ended up discussing Publisher :)

Yes, it's a note about a problem I have with InDesign, that ends up with a feature suggestion for Publisher. As one of the people waiting at the immigration list, I'm cultivating dreams on the promise land, hoping it will not be the same hell as it was in the native Adobe land!

To be noted that this issue has existed in InDesign since the dawn of times. Unless I've not noticed it (I've gone up to ID CC2021, not later), I suspect it will be there up to the end of the times. In the meantime, I'm sure Serif's implementation of the feature in Publisher will be light years ahead.

Paolo

 

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3 hours ago, PaoloT said:

it's a note about a problem I have with InDesign,

But it's a problem that Publisher does not have, which was my main point. And problems with InDesign really aren't relevant to our discussions, in my opinion.

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12 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

But it's a problem that Publisher does not have, which was my main point. And problems with InDesign really aren't relevant to our discussions, in my opinion.

Being a "Feature Requests & Suggestion" forum, where else could a request/suggestion for a future release be entered?

Paolo

 

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1 hour ago, PaoloT said:

Being a "Feature Requests & Suggestion" forum, where else could a request/suggestion for a future release be entered?

Paolo

 

It's the right forum, but as the InDesign problem you first entered a request about isn't a problem in Publisher, that one could have been simply a question. 

For the other, Serif have said that relative paths are used, but I don't recall if anyone has gotten them to work properly.

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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

as the InDesign problem you first entered a request about isn't a problem in Publisher, that one could have been simply a question. 

I'm proposing an example from InDesign, because that's currently the strongest competitor to Publisher. It's a negative example of how I hope it will not be implemented in Publisher.

At the moment, Publisher doesn't have but a very primitive function called "cross-references", but that is not really cross-references. So, a more sophisticate system is hopefully under development, hopefully in a way that is better than the one in InDesign.

Paolo

 

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10 hours ago, PaoloT said:

At the moment, Publisher doesn't have but a very primitive function called "cross-references", but that is not really cross-references

But what Publisher calls "cross references" is not what you (or InDesign?) is calling cross-references, at all. You're talking about a system to break a large document up into books. If that's what you're asking for, that's probably how you should describe it, rather than taking an existing Publisher term and using it in a totally different way.

-- Walt
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3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

But what Publisher calls "cross references" is not what you (or InDesign?) is calling cross-references, at all. You're talking about a system to break a large document up into books.

Not at all. You gave the only possible description of what cross-references are: parts of text relaunching to a different part of text, usually for clarification. Usually with the formula: "See 'That Chapter' at page 2500 for more information".

Publisher has a function that is called "cross references" in the manual, but has nothing to share with this system:

https://affinity.help/publisher/English.lproj/index.html?page=pages/Advanced/crossreferences.html?title=Cross references#

Something that looks like a primitive cross-reference function is in the Hyperlinks, but it is still just a hint.

Paolo

 

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