Export "Just Selection" not exporting correct measures

[hape13]

I like to export a selection from AP/AD with its measures. I have… 

• the layer group selected

• it shows the correct measures in the transform panel

• I choose "Just Selection"

… but the exported size is always the document size. Where do I go wrong? I am sure it worked for me a hundred times but not in this case. I attached a combined screenshot showing all values. Even in German I thing you got the idea and issue. Thanks. 

[v_kyr]

24 minutes ago, hape13 said:

• the layer group selected

• it shows the correct measures in the transform panel

Make sure the layers inside group are selected/highlighted too correctly, or try out first what happens when you expand the group and select/highlight just one or two ... of the layers inside the group when exporting via "Nur Auswahl". - Further look if the things you selected/highlighted via the group or multiple layers, are also shown as been selected on the canvas (of the frame boxes around those are shown).

Du kannst auch mit dem "Vorschau" Button (links unten auf dem Vorschau-Panel) vorab sehen, was und wie es dann exportiert werden würde"

[hape13]

Thanks so much @v_kyr for your quick answer. 

10 minutes ago, v_kyr said:

Make sure the layers inside group are selected/highlighted too correctly,…

That seems to be the problem because none of the layers inside the group look like being selected. Thanks also for the "Vorschau" hint. I never used it but this indeed gives a third view that differs from the document size (being exported) as well as the selection size and therefore IMHO is even more confusing than helpful. 

I would definitely find it just logical if I select a group with the correct displayed size in my document and it'd take it as the term "Just Selection" promises. If I have to dig into my group which might have a bunch more layers than in this case and find out what't the issue (if I were able at all which is obviously not the case) I am more fast with my workaround to duplicate the group and use "Rasterize and Trim" to get the result I wanted to have. But IMHO that is a totally unnecessary step. I can hardly imagine who wants to select a group and move/copy/paste … whatever - it with missing components that are belonging to it? 

[v_kyr]

Well I didn't expressed that well, what I meant is more, that it usually should be ok to just select a group, the group selection should be then performed for all the contents it has. BUT in cases where this may not work correctly (as it seems to be the case on your side), you can then open the group and select all layers inside that one.

However, here's a short test with ADe under Catalina, I do just group selections and then previewing on the export panel how the export would then look like (seems to be always Ok and the expected way on my side) ...

 

[hape13]

Thanks again so much @v_kyr for your answer and the video. 

This is exactly what also worked for me over years now and in most recent cases.

Except the preview window which I never used. BTW: Your video example shows best that it is ONLY useful with a colored background. For PNG exports with transparency I could also ask my grandma how the export might exactly look like (if she were still alive) 😉. 

I figured out that the adjustment layers are the reason. Obviously it's simply impossible to export something in the frame of the group when they are part of it. 

Which I personally find really weird and totally confusing. 

Thanks again and Happy Easter! 🐰

[v_kyr]

45 minutes ago, hape13 said:

I figured out that the adjustment layers are the reason. Obviously it's simply impossible to export something in the frame of the group when they are part of it.

You've to try, if inside the group then merging (aka merge to visable) the adjustment layers together with the image would possibly solve that problem.

Happy Easter to you too!

[hape13]

Yes, thanks again.

That helps but creates just another pixel layer inside the group which I then have to select separately before the export. Which gives basically the same result as mentioned as my workaround in my first answer. 

It would provide just straight forward working if it'd work like expected… 

• Exporting the whole canvas takes the size of the whole canvas

• Exporting a selection (no matter what content the group has) takes the size of the selection

IMHO nothing else makes sense. 

Cheers, 

HaPe

[thomaso]

23 hours ago, v_kyr said:

Du kannst auch mit dem "Vorschau" Button (links unten auf dem Vorschau-Panel) vorab sehen, was und wie es dann exportiert werden würde"

23 hours ago, hape13 said:

Thanks also for the "Vorschau" hint.

What are the conditions to make the Preview button in the Export dialog occur? I never saw it before hape13's screenshot.
Mine in APub v.1.10.5 / macOS 10.14.6:

 

[Old Bruce]

2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

What are the conditions to make the Preview button in the Export dialog occur? I never saw it before hape13's screenshot.

Use something other than Publisher.

[v_kyr]

Not in APub, but in ADe for example ...
 

Quote

To preview your export:

1. From the File menu, select Export.
2. From the dialog, select a raster file format and click Preview.

Modifier keys

When previewing your export, the following modifier keys can be used to zoom in to areas of interest and view the results of different settings applied in the dialog:

• Hold the while scrolling to zoom in and out of the preview.
• Hold the while scrolling to scroll left or right.
• Hold the while scrolling to scroll up or down.
• Press +1 to zoom to 100%.

 

[thomaso]

23 hours ago, hape13 said:

But IMHO that is a totally unnecessary step. I can hardly imagine who wants to select a group and move/copy/paste

Another unexpected behaviour occurs with text frames (in APub, too): I would expect the bounding box being exported since this indicates the selection. Instead the text frame needs a fill color to get exported in its full dimensions. Note the transparent area around this JPG preview, the text frame gets cropped at its top + left/right edges:

[v_kyr]

 

[thomaso]

@v_kyr, not sure what you want to show with your 2 screenshots? Also, demonstrating it with PNG may confuse, since PNG exports transparency as shown in your 1st screenshot with its invisible export image edges in the Preview.

Whereas your 2nd screenshot confirms my concern: the resulting image is smaller than the bounding box of the selected objects, because the text frame gets cropped. I run into that occasionally when I want to export an image with an image caption below. Then the text frame height (= its bounding box = selection) gets ignored on export – unless I apply a fill color to the text frame.

It feels wrong & disturbing in particular because for instance a rectangle shape object with NO fill or stroke does get respected as Selection Area export with its entire dimensions:

[v_kyr]

44 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Whereas your 2nd screenshot confirms my concern: the resulting image is smaller than the bounding box of the selected objects, because the text frame gets cropped. I run into that occasionally when I want to export an image with an image caption below. Then the text frame height (= its bounding box = selection) gets ignored on export – unless I apply a fill color to the text frame.

Yes, that's what the preview images show and what happens for the exported image, the top text frame bounding box portion get's cut off. Though even better seen when exported as JPGs instead. And it doesn't matter here which from those export selection methods you choose when exporting. - That happens also with the text frames bottom, left and right bounding box portions. As far as there's nothing additional available among the selection around of a text frame, then it's bounding box is always cut off on the free staying side.

So a text frames bounding box dimension is only fully respected in size by export selections when it's probably filled, or when there's something beneath it on either side direction among a selection. Otherwise a frame text bounding box is always omitted and the shown selection bounding box dimension around it doesn't play any role!