Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 ’Allo again, mes amis … today the Big Question is: ‘How Come It Don't Do It Like Dis?’ … You've heard of and seen the excellent series of tutes produced by Olivio Sarikas, yes? He does an excellent job. In this particular tute, he examines Affinity Photo's built-in quirk that automatically applies a series of pre-sets to the RAW image(-s) opened in Developer persona. Note that, in his vid, he selects the ‘Exposure’ tab and clicks the ‘Undo’ Swirly Arrow to remove the presets and display the image in its as-shot state. I have tried and tried and tried yet again to have Affinity Photo duplicate on my Mac this same behavior. Nuh-unh, Charlie. It don't be playin' dat. The picture brought remains as unchanged after clicking the Reset circular arrow as if it had never been clicked. The same applies to every other ‘undo’ arrow for the rest of the settings in that panel. Here’s the link to the tute if you want to see it for yourself … undoing the preset(-s) is the very first thing he covers, so it's not a long wait. All feedback as to how to make this work outside of the vid is appreciated. Please advise if this ‘sauce’ works for you on your machine, too. Thanks. Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
carl123 Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 It probably depends on the raw file being processed and if there is certain information stored in the EXIF data Plus, it probably also depends on your Assistant Manager settings Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 Please expand on the Assistant Mgr settings and their interference with the ‘Undo’ circular arrow. The RAW files are only of two types: .CR2 and .NEF as-shot and as-imported from the CF card. Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
carl123 Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 Exposure Bias Check the help file Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.
firstdefence Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 Under the Assistant Manager if you have the settings as in the screenshot none of the presets will be applied so resetting the panels is not necessary. Quote iMac 27" 2019 Sequoia 15.0 (24A335), iMac 27" Affinity Designer, Photo & Publisher V1 & V2, Adobe, Inkscape, Vectorstyler, Blender, C4D, Sketchup + more... XP-Pen Artist-22E, - iPad Pro 12.9 (Please refrain from licking the screen while using this forum) Affinity Help - Affinity Desktop Tutorials - Feedback - FAQ - most asked questions
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 firstdefence … Thanks for the screencap. Unfortunately, the problem continues unabated and the auto-applied ‘corrections’ remain intact and unchanged even after making the changes suggested. This. Is. Maddening. Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 A quick followup with a screencap to illustrate settings … the ONLY item that changes anything is the 32-bit PREVIEW setting. Changes can be seen on-screen as made. There is a problem, tho’ … the second the ‘Develop’ button is clicked, EVERY ONE of the changes just made go ‘POOF!’ and the image reverts to its auto-settings dark preview as if nothing had ever been altered. Thoughts and suggestions welcomed … Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 Okay … Put this in the ‘Mama, how come … ?’ column (see screencap, attached below). This was not covered in Olivio's tute, but provided the same effect as did his click of the ‘Undo’ rotate icon. The change (‘Apply Tone Curve’) was made, as shown, using a random test image in the Assistant module and results were instant. All other settings remained at their respective defaults. Whether this is a viable path forward will be learnt as new images are processed, but for now, this (’scuse the blatant internet meme ripoff) ‘One Simple Trick!’ appears to do what the ‘Undo’ rotary icon does in Olivio's tute. Here's the screencap … Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Old Bruce Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dr_No said: his click of the ‘Undo’ rotate icon That is a Reset icon, not an Undo icon. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.6.0 | Affinity Photo 2.6.0 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.0 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 Thanks … out of curiosity, is there a functional diff'rents between ‘Reset’ and ‘Undo’ or is it just a semantic diff'rents? … i.e., do they do the same thing but under a diff'rent name? Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 Update time: The ‘solution’ I thought I'd stumbled upon is NOT a solution. Clicking ‘apply tone curve’ does, indeed, brighten the image, and one can click thru the adjustments and make changes to light/dark tonalities, correct exposure, etc etc - and the moment the ‘Develop’ tab is clicked, everything - as before - is undone. The only changed detected now is that the ‘developed’ image is much darker than the RAW file as opened, which is much less than being ‘the best of all possible worlds’ … Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Old Bruce Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 If you think about it there is a difference. Reset resets to whatever the defaults are. Undo will undo that reset. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.6.0 | Affinity Photo 2.6.0 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.0 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 Interesting. A subtle yet applicable distinction. In the ongoing tale of the Inapplicable Reset / Undo icon’s functionality, I imported a .CR2 file and clicked the Rotary Reverse Arrow for the Exposure (after resetting ‘Apply Tone Curve’ to ‘Take No Action’). Damned if it didn't correct the exposure. Granted, this is one time and one file, and the image was produced by a Canon instead of a Nikon, but still … More to the point: Once ‘tweaks’ were made in the different panels and ‘Develop’ was clicked, there was no reversion to the original darkened image. Next step is to replicate this with a Nikon .NEF image. If both produce similar results, I'll be a Happy Camper – but still in the dark as to the ‘Why’ regarding the causal factor for this behavior. It's really nice (and often important) to understand the ‘why’ about things that happen, yes … ? Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
Old Bruce Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dr_No said: I imported a .CR2 file Did you have a document file that you used File > Place... to import the .CR2 file into? Or is this actually a .CR2 file that you used File > Open... with to actually open the file into the Develop persona of the Photo application? Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.6.0 | Affinity Photo 2.6.0 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.0 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.
Dr_No Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 The procedure was File > Open to ensure that normal procedure was followed … Quote Mac Pro (Mid-2010) G5, 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon i7; macOS ‘Sierra,’ 12GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5770; S271HL Acer Display (1920 x 1080); Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher 1.10.8, Photoshop CS6, Illustrator CS6, InDesign CS6, QuarkXpress 9.5.4.1, ON1 RAW 2020, Portrait Professional Studio64, Topaz Labs Suite, Nik Collection, LibreOffice; separate Western Digital external HDs for storage Proudly Wearing the Shame of ThoughtCrime …
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