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After working on my photos I save them (of course), but Affinity doen't show any choice but saving in .afphoto. Unfortunately I cannot read this format with my Mac sw neither with Preview nor with Photos. If I read the photos using Graphic Converter I get a terrible and blurred version of my photos. Isn't possible to save in a different format? otherwise what can I do? TIA

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3 hours ago, henryg said:

I always think that the export features should be included with "save as" .

Would you want File > Save as... to include saving as an Affinity native format file, along with all the other formats that appear now when using File > Export...? As it is now, on Macs there are already 11 file types to choose from in the export window, each with its own set of options available in that window & even more in the "More" window. Is adding yet another choice for the native format really necessary or desirable?

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17 hours ago, R C-R said:

Would you want File > Save as... to include saving as an Affinity native format file, along with all the other formats that appear now when using File > Export...? As it is now, on Macs there are already 11 file types to choose from in the export window, each with its own set of options available in that window & even more in the "More" window. Is adding yet another choice for the native format really necessary or desirable?

A valid point, but then I never use the native format/s. It's not an issue for me as I have remapped the shortcut keys.

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5 hours ago, henryg said:

A valid point, but then I never use the native format/s.

May I ask why? There is only one native file format, & it offers several things that most export formats do not, like non-destructive editing.

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16 hours ago, R C-R said:

May I ask why? There is only one native file format, & it offers several things that most export formats do not, like non-destructive editing.

I am a "home" photo editor, my photos are jpg, and once I have edited a photo I don't return to it.

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3 hours ago, henryg said:

my photos are jpg, and once I have edited a photo I don't return to it.

Then you will certainly appreciate that Afinity can save edited JPEGs without the need for Export, and you do not need to use SaveAs.

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2 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Then you will certainly appreciate that Afinity can save edited JPEGs without the need for Export, and you do not need to use SaveAs.

Isn't that is true only if no other layers are added to the opened jpeg, or if Document > Flatten in AP is used to collapse it to a single layer before resaving it?

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3 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Then you will certainly appreciate that Afinity can save edited JPEGs without the need for Export, and you do not need to use SaveAs

I don't think anyone would appreciate the JPG file sizes that that approach would yield

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2 hours ago, R C-R said:

Isn't that is true only if no other layers are added to the opened jpeg, or if Document > Flatten in AP is used to collapse it to a single layer before resaving it?

Yes, of course - but does it have anything to do with the "required" procedure, that is, working "only" with JPEG?

Edit: Just to add - this is not true (at least in the Windows version). There is no need to flatten the document using Document > Flatten, because APhoto prompts you to flatten before Save.
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1 hour ago, carl123 said:

I don't think anyone would appreciate the JPG file sizes that that approach would yield

Unfortunately, I completely miss the point of your contribution and any context with the issue of Save vs Export.

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1 minute ago, Pšenda said:

Yes, of course - but does it have anything to do with the "required" procedure, that is, working "only" with JPEG?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. It is not unusual to open a jpeg & then edit it using any of several methods that add layers to it, like using many of the options on the AP Layers menu. It is no longer just a JPEG at that point.

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15 minutes ago, R C-R said:

open a jpeg & then edit it using any of several methods that add layers to it

For example, Henry does not use such modifications, or he does not mind that flattening loses the possibility of editing these modifications - that is his business, and his workflow. I still don't understand how this has to do with saving a "required" JPEG using Save (despite the fact that Export to JPEG will also flatten - so what's the difference?).

P.S. I edited my previous post because it is not necessary to flatten the edited document using the Document> Flatten command.

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18 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

P.S. I edited my previous post because it is not necessary to flatten the edited document using the Document> Flatten command.

In my experience a work habit of using the Flatten will prevent many headaches when I just want to save an opened JPEG as a JPEG. While it is not always needed I think of the added step before File > Save as insurance.

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10 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

For example, Henry does not use such modifications, or he does not mind that flattening loses the possibility of editing these modifications - that is his business, and his workflow

Why do you assume he does not use any modifications that create new layers? He has not said anything about that I can find in any of his posts.

43 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

There is no need to flatten the document using Document > Flatten, because APhoto prompts you to flatten before Save.

Actually, the prompt asks you to choose between saving flattened & saving as a new Affinity format file. 

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11 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

In my experience a work habit of using the Flatten will prevent many headaches when I just want to save an opened JPEG as a JPEG. While it is not always needed I think of the added step before File > Save as insurance.

Work habits are different - for example, I press Ctrl+S every few minutes, even if it is not needed at all - just such a for sure 🙂
However, this does not change the fact that performing a specific step "Document> Flatten" is not necessary before saving - as RC-R writes.

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11 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Actually, the prompt asks you to choose between saving flattened & saving as a new Affinity format file. 

So it is not necessary to perform a specific step "Document> Flatten menu" before Save, as you write.

3 hours ago, R C-R said:

or if Document > Flatten in AP is used to collapse it to a single layer before resaving it?

 

14 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Why do you assume he does not use any modifications that create new layers?

I do not assume that (it is only one of the variants), see

42 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

or he does not mind that flattening loses the possibility of editing these modifications

and I don't care what procedures he uses. What matters is what he writes on your query here,

9 hours ago, henryg said:

my photos are jpg, and once I have edited a photo I don't return to it

so they obviously don't mind losing these edits by flattening - it doesn't matter if you use the Export command or just Save.

 

I'm sorry, but again, the discussion with you is completely nothing.

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1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

Unfortunately, I completely miss the point of your contribution and any context with the issue of Save vs Export.

Export allows you to select various JPG-related options, in particular Quality. Save does not, and will always use a quality of 100, even though a lower value may give nearly the same visual quality at a much lower file size.

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12 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

So it is not necessary to perform a specific step "Document> Flatten menu" before Save, as you write.

All I meant was one way or another the document has to be flattened if has more than one layer to save it as a JPEG.

15 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

so they obviously don't mind losing these edits by flattening - it doesn't matter if you use the Export command or just Save.

True, but as @henryg wrote in his first reply here, he thinks the export features should be included with the Save as... menu option, so it does matter where the flatten option appears in the UI.

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6 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Export allows you to select various JPG-related options, in particular Quality. Save does not, and will always use a quality of 100, even though a lower value may give nearly the same visual quality at a much lower file size.

It also allows for resizing the JPEG, embedding an ICC profile or using one different from the original, changing the pixel format, & quite a bit more via the "More" button. So even if you never intend to save a JPEG photo to the native Affinity format, there are still good reasons why one might want to use File > Export to do that.

There is also the AP batch job save to JPEG option to consider, which for some workflows might be a good alternative to opening JPEG files one at a time.

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5 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Save does not, and will always use a quality of 100, even though a lower value may give nearly the same visual quality at a much lower file size.

Yes, I know about it, and it's a shame, that Affinity doesn't use the quality from the original file (as applications normally do).

But Carl writes - I quote

8 hours ago, carl123 said:

I don't think anyone would appreciate

Does this mean that "no one will ever" use 100% quality?! Really? 

For example, Henryg can use it to maintain full quality when JPEG is its only format (some even use uncompressed TIFF for the same reason).

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9 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Yes, I know about it, and it's a shame, that Affinity doesn't use the quality from the original file (as applications normally do).

As I understand it, some applications guess at the original quality setting, but it is not actually recorded in the JPG file anywhere. 

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