Can´t find font in a design.. a little help? :-)

[276ccm]

Hi all, I made a simple design for my wife´s office.. and in Affinity Designer I used a font named "! Beirut"

I converted the type to curves so they should be able to print it, but for some reason they want the font too.. but when I search in "Font Book" I can´t find the font.. the Beirut font that shows up looks way different..

Is there is a way to find the font "! Beirut" on the computer or is that a hidden system font or something like that.. I have tried to google it but only finds other Beirut fonts.

 

[Callum]

Hi 276ccm,

It looks as though this is a system font as Its listed here: https://developer.apple.com/fonts/system-fonts/ I'm not sure how you might get a copy of it I'm afraid.

Thanks
C

[276ccm]

Hmm, ok thanks a lot! 🙂 I guess I have to find another similar font that I can send along.. It wasn´t anything special or especially nice anyway, but something like what they wanted.. 🙂

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Callum said:

It looks as though this is a system font

The ‘!’ prefix means it’s protected, doesn’t it?

 

[Callum]

21 minutes ago, Alfred said:

The ‘!’ prefix means it’s protected, doesn’t it?

 

It might do but that doesn't mean its not a system font?    The ! can indicate a few different things like the font being missing entirely or missing specific characters etc.

[Alfred]

8 minutes ago, Callum said:

It might do but that doesn't mean its not a system font?    The ! can indicate a few different things like the font being missing entirely or missing specific characters etc.

I think you misunderstood me, Callum. I wasn’t suggesting that you were wrong about its being a system font, I was saying I thought (and I was looking for confirmation or refutation) that it’s unavailable for distribution because it’s protected/restricted.

I wasn’t aware that ‘!’ could indicate something as minor as missing a few characters.

 

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Callum said:

The ! can indicate a few different things like the font being missing entirely

I thought that was a ? not an !

[Old Bruce]

Hi @276ccm,

I see the ! font name when I open a document that contains fonts which are not installed on my computer.

For what it is worth the font Beirut on my Mac is an Arabic font, no Latin glyphs. It is a supplemental font which you may not have on your machine.

It is located here on my machine; /System/Library/Fonts/Supplemental/Beirut.ttc Mac OS 11.6.4

When you type Latin characters you'll get a default/fallback font being substituted for the actual chosen/desired font but the text is marked as needing Beirut. I don't know what the default/fallback substitute font would be on your machine.

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Old Bruce said:

I see the ! font name when I open a document that contains fonts which are not installed on my computer.

Maybe you already have the Bubblegum Sans font installed, but if you don’t I’d be interested to know whether you see an exclamation mark in front of the font name when you open the attached file.

Bubblegum.afdesign

[G13RL]

@Alfred, thanks for the file, here, on Windows, I don't have the Bubble Gum font and I get the question mark, like every time a font is not installed on my system.

[R C-R]

3 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

For what it is worth the font Beirut on my Mac is an Arabic font, no Latin glyphs. It is a supplemental font which you may not have on your machine.

It is located here on my machine; /System/Library/Fonts/Supplemental/Beirut.ttc Mac OS 11.6.4

Same for me running Catalina. It only has 281 glyphs, none of which are Latin ones.

[Alfred]

3 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

For what it is worth the font Beirut on my Mac is an Arabic font, no Latin glyphs. It is a supplemental font which you may not have on your machine.

It is located here on my machine; /System/Library/Fonts/Supplemental/Beirut.ttc Mac OS 11.6.4

 

5 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Same for me running Catalina. It only has 281 glyphs, none of which are Latin ones.

A *.ttc file is a TrueType collection rather than a single font. I think you may need a way to unpack it, since the Affinity apps don’t seem to fully understand TTC files.

[R C-R]

37 minutes ago, Alfred said:

A *.ttc file is a TrueType collection rather than a single font. I think you may need a way to unpack it, since the Affinity apps don’t seem to fully understand TTC files.

Because it lives in /System/ I am not sure there is any way to do that on a Mac due to SIP. But even if there is, Font Book tells me it has only 281 glyphs, all of which are Arabic letter forms.

EDIT: BTW, there are 79 ttc files in /System/Library/Fonts/Supplemental/ on my Mac. I only have a few of them enabled like Phosphate.ttc & Rockwell.ttc, but they all seem to work fine in Affinity. Even American Typewriter.ttc that some have reported having a problem with seems to work fine for me.

[firstdefence]

2 hours ago, Alfred said:

I think you may need a way to unpack it

When you unpack the Beirut.ttc file you get a .ttf with the masters/characters and another .ttf with the numbers, that's all that's in the .beirut.ttc file.

To unpack a .ttc file you can use an online font converter such as: https://transfonter.org/ttc-unpack or a font creator such as FontLab or Glyphs.app 

If you open with Glyphs it acknowledges there is more than one font and lets you choose which to open...

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, firstdefence said:

that's all that's in the .beirut.ttc file.

How many glyphs total do you get?

[jmwellborn]

6 hours ago, G13RL said:

@Alfred, thanks for the file, here, on Windows, I don't have the Bubble Gum font and I get the question mark, like every time a font is not installed on my system.

I get the same thing on my Mac.

[R C-R]

4 minutes ago, jmwellborn said:

I get the same thing on my Mac.

Same for me on my Mac, a ? not an exclamation point.

[firstdefence]

9 hours ago, R C-R said:

How many glyphs total do you get?

Here is a comparison sheet, comparing the two font extracted from the Beirut.ttc file, the differences are highlighted.

[R C-R]

7 hours ago, firstdefence said:

Here is a comparison sheet, comparing the two font extracted from the Beirut.ttc file, the differences are highlighted.

Thanks, but I have no idea what the counts that look like fractions (two numbers separated by a slash) represent.

Regardless, since on my Mac Beirut.ttc is in the System/Library folder, I don't think I can unpack it there without disabling SIP. I'm not going to do that.

[MikeW]

10 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Thanks, but I have no idea what the counts that look like fractions (two numbers separated by a slash) represent. ...

The numbers are how many glyphs are present (the first number) out of how many are possible (the second number) in a given category. 

[firstdefence]

22 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Regardless, since on my Mac Beirut.ttc is in the System/Library folder, I don't think I can unpack it there without disabling SIP. I'm not going to do that.

Simply drag out a copy to your desktop.

The 0/2 etc indicates missing Glyphs.

[R C-R]

5 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

Simply drag out a copy to your desktop.

And then do what? If I install it in some other folder so Affinity can access it, I will create a duplicate of the one in System/Library. In my experience, this is asking for trouble & besides, like I said I have not had any issues using ttc fonts on my Mac.

[firstdefence]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

And then do what?

Have a play at unpacking it or download a trial of Glyphs and take a gander inside the world of .ttc files 😁

[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

Have a play at unpacking it or download a trial of Glyphs and take a gander inside the world of .ttc files 😁

But to what point? As I explained, I do not want to install an unpacked version that would conflict with the system level one.

Besides, as I have already mentioned I am not having any issues using the system ttc font files with Affinity.