Why arent the dimensions of my selection and export selection the same?

[ahnay]

[firstdefence]

Do you have any fx applied to the selection?

[NotMyFault]

Hi,

 

lots of possible reasons:

• your selected layer starts at X 0.5. Avoid fractional positions, will be rounded up at export
• Layer effects like blur, outline, shadow increase the size of objects / layers.
• Your screenshots shows the size of one layer in transform panel. More relevant is the canvas size, shown in the window title when the  move tool is active, or the resize UI.

If you could upload the afphoto / afdesign file, we can check what actually is causing the excess pixels for export.

[carl123]

Just guessing but if that selection (Rectangle) has a stroke that can cause "anomalies" like this

[ahnay]

@firstdefence Nope, no fx

11 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Hi,

 

lots of possible reasons:

• your selected layer starts at X 0.5. Avoid fractional positions, will be rounded up at export
• Layer effects like blur, outline, shadow increase the size of objects / layers.
• Your screenshots shows the size of one layer in transform panel. More relevant is the canvas size, shown in the window title when the  move tool is active, or the resize UI.

If you could upload the afphoto / afdesign file, we can check what actually is causing the excess pixels for export.

Hmm, I dont understand the fractional part? Are you saying everything i create has to be an even number? like 1 and 5? no 1.50, or 5.75? thats crazy. Not you, lol. the software.   Didnt use any layer effects, but good to know.  They really increase the size? its not contained in the size?  Wow. So then yes this software is not good.  I dont want to export the whole canvas size, i only want to export whats in the rectangular area.

11 hours ago, carl123 said:

Just guessing but if that selection (Rectangle) has a stroke that can cause "anomalies" like this

No it doesnt have a stroke, just a rectangle with no fill.  I used it to cut out the edges of everything i put in it.  

 

Thank you all, i dont think i have this version of the file any longer.  I need to keep copy before i change it to upload.  Sorry not used to having so many questions about non working functions. 

[walt.farrell]

1 minute ago, ahnay said:

I dont understand the fractional part? Are you saying everything i create has to be an even number?

If you have something that is located on a non-integer x or y pixel coordinate, or that has a non-integer pixel size, and you export it, it will gain a pixel (or possibly 2) in one or both dimensions.

But given that your export size is different by 13 pixels in each dimension, that wouldn't explain all of it.

If you can recreate the problem, please save the file. That's the only way that anyone (Serif, or we forum users) will be able to confirm what is happening and figure out if it's something you did, or a program bug.

[NotMyFault]

Hi, 

it would be nice to those who try to help if you always keep a copy of the file in the state when you posted your question, without many questions cannot be investigated and answered.

The main reason to avoid fractional values (anything except 0 behind the decimal point) is to (a) avoid increasing of layer size at export and (b) avoid getting blurry results.

5 minutes ago, ahnay said:

Didnt use any layer effects, but good to know.  They really increase the size? its not contained in the size?  Wow. So then yes this software is not good.

There are good reasons why adding effects that actually increase the size (e.g. a outer stroke of 10px) do not show this in the transform panel. Otherwise users would get confused. 

[Old Bruce]

10 minutes ago, ahnay said:

... thats crazy. Not you, lol. the software.   

You haven't met me. [smiley face emoticon]

[firstdefence]

11 minutes ago, ahnay said:

I used it to cut out the edges of everything i put in it.  

So it's likely that whatever is inside is actually larger or offset.

[ahnay]

2 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

So it's likely that whatever is inside is actually larger or offset.

True, but thats how its taught in the designer tutorial, So its just something else that doesnt work?  so frustrated, 😃

[JimmyJack]

According to the Layers panel, there is nothing inside the rectangle. Only underneath it. Shouldn't matter anyway.

The only way I can seem to force this output function to break is to give the Rectangle a stroke of zero opacity. That messes the output size up.... and not in relation to the stroke size (just updated the app. At least this part seems fine now).

Edit: Yup. Stroke'll do it. Doesn't need to be transparent either. (I only started there because the image doesn't appear to show anything for fill or stroke.)

[ahnay]

7 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

Hi, 

it would be nice to those who try to help if you always keep a copy of the file in the state when you posted your question, without many questions cannot be investigated and answered.

The main reason to avoid fractional values (anything except 0 behind the decimal point) is to (a) avoid increasing of layer size at export and (b) avoid getting blurry results.

There are good reasons why adding effects that actually increase the size (e.g. a outer stroke of 10px) do not show this in the transform panel. Otherwise users would get confused. 

Users would get confused? about the correct size of something? Umm, no they wouldnt.   If an image says it something by something, and you want to print it at that size, it should be saved at that size.

I agree about saving a copy of a file, and will do that from now on, thank you so very much, i do appreciate everything you said.  I always use fractional values.  I mean if i work in pixels and change it over to inches, it will always be a fraction.  Its been that way since the first graphics program even on the old commodore 64's.  I coded a windows program on that machine and had to use the drives memory with the computers to get it.  What was it? lol windows!  Of course i just called it user friendly drawing software. lol what did i know. lol. funny now.   I could draw a box on it and print it out in fractions.   sorry i digress again. i had too much coffee today.

[ahnay]

13 minutes ago, JimmyJack said:

According to the Layers panel, there is nothing inside the rectangle. Only underneath it. Shouldn't matter anyway.

The only way I can seem to force this to output function to break is to give the Rectangle a stroke of zero opacity. That messes the output size up.... and not in relation to the stroke size.

Oh, its possible i had a stroke on it once too, as i noticed when i removed the fill? it had the stroke selected first, but had the line through it, and then i clicked the round with the line through it.  Hmm Thank you!  I will look at the rectangle and see.  Maybe its all still the same and i can upload the file now. doh! 

Yes i can its still the same way.  So the box for fill has a line through it and the stroke is showing no line.  I changed that to line through it and tried again, but it still wasnt saving the same size.  I have tried to upload the file got error 200. Same thing i go the other day. Apparently it doesnt like my files, lol. i have tried both ways to upload the file.  yeah taking forever so i think its a fail too. yeah failed with code 200. 

[ahnay]

@JimmyJack

[ahnay]

yeah, no matter what i do it will not upload a .exc er designer file. its small too only 51.8mbTest selection size.afdesign

[JimmyJack]

1 hour ago, ahnay said:

yeah, no matter what i do it will not upload a .exc er designer file. its small too only 51.8mbTest selection size.afdesign

Maybe something is happening when you try to include the attachment inline with the text. 

Let me test ittest trash.afdesign here.

EDIT: Nope that works. Don't download it. It's nothing

Anyway, @ahnay, if we can only go by the screen grabs, something is striking me as odd about your selection box(ES?). If you have the parent rectangle selected, why is the other bounding box showing as well 🤔? (I'm not talking about the guides. There's definitely a corner).
AND is your Background Grey Level set to full white (not talking about the document color)? Just checking....seems like it b/c of the guides.

Also some alternatives to the file posting issue are to:
1) zip it and try again.
2) use a different browser
3) upload to a file sharing site and post the link.

 

[ahnay]

2 hours ago, JimmyJack said:

Maybe something is happening when you try to include the attachment inline with the text. 

Let me test ittest trash.afdesign here.

EDIT: Nope that works. Don't download it. It's nothing

Anyway, @ahnay, if we can only go by the screen grabs, something is striking me as odd about your selection box(ES?). If you have the parent rectangle selected, why is the other bounding box showing as well 🤔? (I'm not talking about the guides. There's definitely a corner).
AND is your Background Grey Level set to full white (not talking about the document color)? Just checking....seems like it b/c of the guides.

Also some alternatives to the file posting issue are to:
1) zip it and try again.
2) use a different browser
3) upload to a file sharing site and post the link.

 

Hmm, yes just thought about using s different browser before see this. 

I have something turned on, oh margins, but i dont know what they are called in the document.  i set them when i created the document. 

Background is just the transparency little boxes?  no color.   

good questions 😃 ill try a diff browser now.

 

[JimmyJack]

1 hour ago, ahnay said:

Hmm, yes just thought about using s different browser before see this. 

I have something turned on, oh margins, but i dont know what they are called in the document.  i set them when i created the document. 

Background is just the transparency little boxes?  no color.   

good questions 😃 ill try a diff browser now.

 

Ahhh, of course 🤦‍♂️, Margins! Doh!!

[ahnay]

2 hours ago, JimmyJack said:

Maybe something is happening when you try to include the attachment inline with the text. 

Let me test ittest trash.afdesign here.

EDIT: Nope that works. Don't download it. It's nothing

Anyway, @ahnay, if we can only go by the screen grabs, something is striking me as odd about your selection box(ES?). If you have the parent rectangle selected, why is the other bounding box showing as well 🤔? (I'm not talking about the guides. There's definitely a corner).
AND is your Background Grey Level set to full white (not talking about the document color)? Just checking....seems like it b/c of the guides.

Also some alternatives to the file posting issue are to:
1) zip it and try again.
2) use a different browser
3) upload to a file sharing site and post the link.

 

failed again code 200 

I dont know any sites to load to, and post link here.  I know someone posted some someplace.  I tried to send it to in a message, lol can only send pics.  sorry.

 

[firstdefence]

ImgBB.com

[ahnay]

8 hours ago, firstdefence said:

ImgBB.com

Ah, thank you, but its only for images not for files?  I can upload images here, it just wont accept files from my system. Dont know why. I use a vpn but turned it off and still get the error.  I have it on when uploading an pic. Makes no sense to me. lol.

[walt.farrell]

You can always use Dropbox, or Google Drive, or OneDrive, or another of the "free" cloud storage providers.

[ahnay]

17 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

You can always use Dropbox, or Google Drive, or OneDrive, or another of the "free" cloud storage providers.

I just did a search for free file hosting, found one and trying to upload to it now.  but its confusing.   It doesnt say its uploading, but you know the busy sign on the tab is going. I dont know they hold files there for 20 days, and send the link to you in an email.  I looked at dropbox, its paid, not free.  You know i dont understand google drive, lol. and one drive makes me crazy, it used to turn itself on and store everything, er try to copy everything.  I finally got it turned off.  Hate to do anything there incase it turns on again.  And now? its sending me emails showing me 'memories'  WHAT! I dont want that either, who turned that on? i did not. Microsoft. They have changed so much from the days of first testing windows ( i got to do that, lol ) and trying to sell it with who? ibm machines i think. wow so long i cant rem now.  Those two argued like old ladies! lol. sorry i digress again, i am that old lady!

[ahnay]

29 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

You can always use Dropbox, or Google Drive, or OneDrive, or another of the "free" cloud storage providers.

LOL!  I have a file in the google? and i dont rem it at all, so i hit the download? Got an error telling me i need to accept 3rd party cookies?  Its my file, i uploaded it, and now i need to accept third party cookies for google drive? why?  yeah. Guess i need to watch videos on that system now too. hair falling out again, lol.

[ahnay]

39 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

You can always use Dropbox, or Google Drive, or OneDrive, or another of the "free" cloud storage providers.

LOL!  I have a file in the google? and i dont rem it at all, so i hit the download? Got an error telling me i need to accept 3rd party cookies?  Its my file, i uploaded it, and now i need to accept third party cookies for google drive? why?  yeah. Guess i need to watch videos on that system now too. hair falling out again, lol.

So it says google uses 3rd party cookies to download/upload files, does not make sense, and you must add it to the list of 'ok cookies' to save.  I did and downloaded the file. I also added this site to that list and tried again to upload a file, it went faster this time but still failed with the 200 code. I give up. 

 

Ill try to load to google drive if i can figure out how and still keep them secure.