Maarten Langeveld Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Have some profound an issues with Affinity Photo's soft proofing implementation colour management implementation. One Two major main draw backs that makes Affinty Photo almost useless to me (sorry to say) : 1. While working with wide gamut colour spaces it is not possible to export the work in another colour space since the export function does not convert the colours to the designated colour space but only replaces the colour profile (what's the use???). This is very very cumbersome. When I want to keep wide gamut in my project file and export my work in - for example - sRGB colour space for web publishing, I now have to make a copy of the original project, save it, convert it to sRGB colour space, export (and then delete the converted project to save disk space). It is crazy. My apologies I did something wrong since I could not reproduce. From the help pages: "By default, this is set to the ICC profile of the project (document). However, the project's ICC profile can be overwritten for this export area. Select from the pop-up menu." Suggestion for the help pages (Export Settings, Multi-format settings, ICC profile): "By default, this is set to the ICC profile of the project (document). However, the export can be converted to a colour space of choice. Select from the pop-up menu." 2. Soft proofing wide Gamut images (i.e. AdobeRGB) with sRGB colour profile does not work either (it does work well with other colour spaces such as print colour spaces but it does certainly not with sRGB colour space: all the out of sRGB gamma colours are still clearly visible, in fact nothting changes). Moreover my (fast) PC (Intel i8700) often slows down and becomes very sluggish (to unacceptable levels) or just crashes when soft proofing. I have been fairly enthuisastic about Affinity Photo but it crashes or slows down too often (also with small projects with only a few layers) when soft proofing and the basics (colour management) is very poorly implemented (as mentioned above). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Callum Posted January 11, 2022 Staff Share Posted January 11, 2022 Hi Maarten, I can't seem to recreate the issue you are seeing with the soft proofing adjustment here at my end, if possible could you provide a screen recording demonstrating the problem? In regards to your PC slowing down please could you go to into the apps preferences and provide a screenshot of the performance tab so I can see which settings you are using? Thanks C Quote Please tag me using @ in your reply so I can be sure to respond ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendelin Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 @Callum Hi Callum, I reported the soft-proofing issue two years ago, maybe my thread helps you to reproduce the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 If you're getting crashes it might be the hardware acceleration. If you have it on, try turning it off Edit->Preferences->Performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Langeveld Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 Hello developers. Softproofing an AdobeRGB image to sRGB is still not working. Although the Gamut check in the softproof adjustment layer clearly indicates the out of gamut area's, the screen colours in those area's remain the same. Example file added. Affinity Photo softproof sRGB not working.afphoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Langeveld Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 Would appreciate an answer by Affinity devs, can you reproduce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 11:32 AM, Maarten Langeveld said: Although the Gamut check in the softproof adjustment layer clearly indicates the out of gamut area's, the screen colours in those area's remain the same. Why would you expect them to change? The Soft Proof Adjustment does not by itself change any colors. It just previews how the image would look with different proofing profiles. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Its frustrating this hasn't been addressed. Those of us who print and display on line need to be able to compare colour spaces easily. Softproofing seems to work for my printer profiles but not sRGB. I do wonder if the Affinity devs are only running sRGB monitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, RichardMH said: Softproofing seems to work for my printer profiles but not sRGB. Which sRGB profile(s) do you have installed on your system? What happens when you try using one in a soft proof adjustment layer? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, R C-R said: Which sRGB profile(s) do you have installed on your system? What happens when you try using one in a soft proof adjustment layer? sRGB IEC61966-2.1. My monitor allows multiple calibrations and I have one set to sRGB so for me its not a real drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, RichardMH said: sRGB IEC61966-2.1. My monitor allows multiple calibrations and I have one set to sRGB so for me its not a real drama. What happens when you create a soft proof adjustment using that sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile? What should it look like vs. how it does now? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, R C-R said: What happens when you create a soft proof adjustment using that sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile? What should it look like vs. how it does now? Nothing happens, except the gamut warning if its on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, RichardMH said: Nothing happens, except the gamut warning if its on. So what would you expect to happen? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, R C-R said: So what would you expect to happen? I expect t o see an image in sRGB colour space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, RichardMH said: I expect t o see an image in sRGB colour space. Isn't it already in that color space? Do you have an example file you could post for this? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 So what seems to be happening is if Soft Proof is set to sRGB when its opened I can see the change from Adobe RGB. However, if Soft Proof is set to something else and I change to sRGB nothing happens. Windows 11 on retail and beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Langeveld Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 10:54 PM, R C-R said: Isn't it already in that color space? Do you have an example file you could post for this? I posted an example (twice!) Have you looked at it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Langeveld Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Dear developers, Soft proofing sRGB is essential when publishing on the web. Affinity Photo fails to soft proof sRGB (other colour profiles do work). Why are you completely ignorant and silent. At least you could admit it is not working as it should... Kind regards, Maarten RichardMH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Maybe you should post this as a bug rather than a question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixelEngineer Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Hi @Maarten Langeveld Quote Maarten Langeveld said: ..Soft proofing wide Gamut images (i.e. AdobeRGB) with sRGB colour profile does not work either (it does work well with other colour spaces such as print colour spaces but it does certainly not with sRGB colour space: all the out of sRGB gamma colours are still clearly visible, in fact nothting changes.. In the Adobe forum, you will find an interesting comment made by an expert in this area.Andrew Rodney author of "Color Management for Photographers" he says:"If you have an Adobe RGB (1998) document and you soft proof to sRGB, OR you convert to sRGB, the results should visually be the same."Andrew Rodney Author of "Color Management for Photographers" Source: Adobe forums You can read a paper that he wrote on AdobeRGB and sRGB color space and why people get confused when comparing these color spaces. Link below.Color Numbers and Color Gamut by Andrew Rodney author of "Color Management for Photographers"http://digitaldog.net/files/ColorNumbersColorGamut.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendelin Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 PixelEngineer, Are you a member of Affinity staff? If so that let's me rethink my choice for Affinity. There is a requirement from more than one user which should be taken seriously just because of that. You're wrong in telling us that softproof is ONLY print related, though this was the origin and the major use case BEFORE wide gamut monitors easilty available and excessive distribution of photographs over the web. And the help file you linked doesn't say anything about print either, instead it says what any decent internet source says: Quote Soft Proof adjustment Preview the effect of creating an output for a specific color space or device. Also, your proposed workaround to export a file is far from being a preview and not up to the task to allow for live adjustments to an image before exporting. RichardMH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardMH Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Unfortunately none of this is solving the problem with softproofing sRGB. There is a workaround for me but it would be nice if it worked properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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