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William Overington

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I would like to resolve the matter of the colours properly.

Of the terms magenta, purple, violet, fuchsia how many colours are there?

Is cyan spectral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#Number_of_colours_in_a_spectrum_or_a_rainbow

There are turquoise and cyan.

Also sky blue and light blue.

Also light green, for which I have previously used the term 'mint'.

Also light purple, for which I have previously used the term 'lavender', which may or may not be the same as the colour I have recently seen referred to as 'lilac'.

I remembered making a font for some additional colours and I have found it as dated 8 January 2021.

I did not publish the font but I may possibly have posted images somewhere.

I have had a look in the font using the FontCreator program but the glyphs are not obviously noticeable so I need to do a more detailed search, or simply start again.

I have designs for new glyphs, it is a matter of deciding which glyph is for which colour. Some such as mint and lavender are easy decisions, but the others are needing consideration.

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42 minutes ago, William Overington said:

Of the terms magenta, purple, violet, fuchsia how many colours are there?

Is cyan spectral?

If you follow Adam’s link to the Wikipedia page about tertiary (intermediate) colours you’ll see that those are identified as four distinct colours. The article discusses them in HSV terms without explaining how HSV relates to RGB, CMYK, or even HSL, but their RGB hexadecimal values are as follows:

magenta: #FF00FF

purple: #BF00FF

violet: #7F00FF

fuchsia: #FF00DF

As discussed earlier, cyan is a spectral colour but magenta is not.

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Which of purple, violet or fuchsia are spectral please?

Should that Petra Sancta inspired glyph for what I have up to now designated as magenta be renamed to purple or violet?

Or should I leave it as it is for stability reasons regarding it as more like teletext colours than a spectrum?

But if I do, then what glyph for purple or violet as appropriate.

A glyph for magenta that is more like how the brain perceives it would be a single full height vertical line at the right going down from the long top horizontal line, contiguous with a horizontal line across the middle of the right side part. That is, a line from red and a line from blue joined together.

But do I need individual glyphs for purple, violet and lilac?

Separately, I have glyphs for gold, silver, bronze and copper already.

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31 minutes ago, William Overington said:

Which of purple, violet or fuchsia are spectral please?

Violet certainly is, and I think purple should be, too, but given the closeness of fuchsia to magenta I’m inclined to think fuchsia may not be.

31 minutes ago, William Overington said:

Should that Petra Sancta inspired glyph for what I have up to now designated as magenta be renamed to purple or violet?

Given that it’s inspired by the Petra Sancta hatching for purpure, I would think that purple is the most obvious designation to use.

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7 hours ago, Alfred said:

Given that it’s inspired by the Petra Sancta hatching for purpure, I would think that purple is the most obvious designation to use.

I have no idea who Petra Sancta is (other than an obvious pun on the Latin name of St. Peter), but as I mentioned, magenta is called purpurov√° in Slovak, which is the color of something called purpur in Slovak (though I am not sure what a purpur is, some flower or something like that).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvester_Petra_Sancta

The system of indicating colours in a black and white image by shading with lines in various directions is often named after him.

For example, vertical lines for red, horizontal lines for blue, upper left to lower right diagonal lines for green, and so on.

I have usually followed his choices for my glyphs where possible, but I have modified some for clarity in this application and devised a few of my own too.

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The mystery deepens. There is a Czech song,

TiŇ°e a ochotnńõ
purpura na plotnńõ
hoŇô√≠, st√°le hoŇô√≠.
Nikdo si nevŇ°√≠m√°,
jak Ňĺivot mńõn√≠ se v d√Ĺm.

That talks about purpura burning on a stove, so I always assumed it was some kind of potpourri flower. I have just looked it up in the Google Translate app for Android, which defines purpura as,

purpura occurs when
small blood vessel burst

I give up!

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6 minutes ago, AdamStanislav said:

TiŇ°e a ochotnńõ
purpura na plotnńõ
hoŇô√≠, st√°le hoŇô√≠.
Nikdo si nevŇ°√≠m√°,
jak Ňĺivot mńõn√≠ se v d√Ĺm.

And here is the poet who wrote the best lyrics I have ever heard singing that song himself"

 

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9 minutes ago, AdamStanislav said:

And here is the poet who wrote the best lyrics I have ever heard singing that song himself

His name is¬†JiŇô√≠ Such√Ĺ. Not only is he a great poet and singer, he is also is an actor and, dare I say, a philosopher.

He was a cofounder of Semafor, a theatre in Prague. In my twenties, I was visiting Prague for about a week and was hoping to go see him in Semafor. A neighbor of mine in Bratislava (where I grew up) was a Czech lady married to a Slovak husband. While I am one of the few Slovaks fluent in Czech (or at least was back then), she told me to speak in Slovak when trying to buy a ticket to Semafor. She thought the ticket lady liked the Slovaks because she had tried to get tickets and they were sold out but then her Slovak husband tried and got the tickets.

So I was standing in a long line in front of the ticket office and everyone ahead of me left empty-handed. When it was my turn, I asked for a ticket in Slovak. She said, standing room only. And I was thinking when am I ever getting another chance to see the great JiŇô√≠ Such√Ĺ, so I sighed and said I would take it. And she said words I will never forget, M√°m tady jeden, dvacet korun. That means, I have one here, twenty crowns (the crown being the currency). And I was so happy that everyone standing behind me must have figured out I got special treatment.

It was an amazing performance. It was nice from the moment I walked into the theatre and saw the sign stating, Welcome, you who leave with a good intention.¬†ūüėĀ

By the way, I think they just had a few tickets left for people who clearly came from afar and might not be ever able to come again. Which was nice.

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13 hours ago, AdamStanislav said:

Wow, when I was watching that video, I noticed one uploaded just 8 hours ago. It shows a 13-year-old violin virtuoso from Slovakia being interviewed. A very funny interview but it is in Slovak, so here is just the ending when he plays a little music. Thirteen years old:

 

 

13 hours ago, AdamStanislav said:

Wow, when I was watching that video, I noticed one uploaded just 8 hours ago. It shows a 13-year-old violin virtuoso from Slovakia being interviewed. A very funny interview but it is in Slovak, so here is just the ending when he plays a little music. Thirteen years old:

 

In 10 years, with the loan of a Stradivarius as his instrument, I predict that this young man will take the world by storm.


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On 10/15/2021 at 2:41 PM, AdamStanislav said:

Here he is playing with a Moscow orchestra:

 

Superb.  I wish Teo had my violin from the years when I was his same age.  It was an Andreas Borelli made in 1742 in Parma, Italy.  It could laugh, cry, dream, or despair in unbelievable ways.  When it went back to the rare violin dealer from whence it came, I understood that Isaac Stern found it and added it to his collection of concert instruments.  Teo is brilliant.  Now he needs violins that are brilliant too.  Thank you for sharing this video!


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27 minutes ago, jmwellborn said:

Superb.  I wish Teo had my violin from the years when I was his same age.  It was an Andreas Borelli made in 1742 in Parma, Italy.  It could laugh, cry, dream, or despair in unbelievable ways.  When it went back to the rare violin dealer from whence it came, I understood that Isaac Stern found it and added it to his collection of concert instruments.  Teo is brilliant.  Now he needs violins that are brilliant too.  Thank you for sharing this video!

I wonder what poems could be expressed in Language Y with glyphs for the following sentences added to the collection of glyphs already available.

The violin laughs.

The violin cries.

The violin dreams.

The violin despairs.

 

For example,

 

It is winter.

It is snowing.

The colour is white.

The violin dreams.

The colour is green.

The colour is turquoise.

 

What other four or five sentences for Language Y would allow an even variety of different poems to be constructed?

I need to dream designs for the violin glyphs so that they are bold, of a theme together yet distinct each from the other, with, if possible, a language-independent hint of the meaning.

William

 

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2 hours ago, jmwellborn said:

Superb.  I wish Teo had my violin from the years when I was his same age.  It was an Andreas Borelli made in 1742 in Parma, Italy.  It could laugh, cry, dream, or despair in unbelievable ways.  When it went back to the rare violin dealer from whence it came, I understood that Isaac Stern found it and added it to his collection of concert instruments.  Teo is brilliant.  Now he needs violins that are brilliant too.  Thank you for sharing this video!

And yet, when he was twelve, he said he wanted to be a cardiac surgeon. We will just wait to see which path of life he will decide on.

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I have designed six more glyphs, each for a sentence of the form

The colour is ...

Here are the glyphs together with one of the original set. Given what you know already of the original fifteen sentences for colours, would readers like to try to deduce which colours these glyphs represent please?

 

 

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On 10/17/2021 at 1:20 PM, AdamStanislav said:

And yet, when he was twelve, he said he wanted to be a cardiac surgeon. We will just wait to see which path of life he will decide on.

Perhaps he will be both. ¬†He is obviously extremely¬†intelligent. ¬†Just spotted him on uTube playing Mendelssohn‚Äôs violin concerto with neither¬†a wrong note nor a wobbly bow. ¬†Originally the violin concerto ‚Äútoo difficult to play.‚ÄĚ ¬†


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On 10/19/2021 at 7:36 PM, William Overington said:

I have designed six more glyphs, each for a sentence of the form

The colour is ...

Here are the glyphs together with one of the original set. Given what you know already of the original fifteen sentences for colours, would readers like to try to deduce which colours these glyphs represent please?

 

 

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William

 

 

I have used a vertical half pale to indicate 'light'.

Thus the first four glyphs, modify the colours yellow, green, blue, purple to give the following.

The colour is primrose.

The colour is mint.

The colour is light blue.

The colour is lavender.

The next glyph combines a full height pale that indicates red with a full width pale that indicates blue, so as to give, in the manner mentioned earlier in this thread, magenta.

The colour is magenta.

The next glyph is a variation on blue and I have used it to indicate turquoise.

The colour is turquoise.

The next glyph has been used previously and is included here for comparion.

The colour is sky blue.

I am not sure at the time of writing this note as to whether purple and violet need two glyphs or just one for both of them.

William

 

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21 hours ago, William Overington said:

 

 

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William

 

Localization into English.

 

It is winter.

It is snowing.

The colour is white.

The violin dreams.

The colour is green.

The colour is turquoise.

 

William

 

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1 hour ago, William Overington said:

The violin dreams.

The connection between the ‚Äėviolin‚Äô part of the glyph and the object it represents might be more obvious if it had a longer neck and a shorter body. The cloud symbol made me think it was something to do with weather rather than dreaming!

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