norbinw Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 I've posted this in the FAQ section but got no Mod to look at it and report it. But when you create a new artboard+bleed and fill w a color, it fills visible area only, bleed remains white. I've noticed this after latest Designer update. MBP 16", AFAIK working OK on M1 macs. User_783649 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Sean P Posted September 3, 2021 Staff Share Posted September 3, 2021 Hi norbinw, I believe this is actually By Design - the bleed area isn't considered part of the document area, so colouring the artboard will only colour it to its specific size. Me personally I wouldn't ever really apply a fill to the artboard - I would much rather add a shape to the bottom of my document and add the fill to that. That way you can resize it to encompass the bleed area and you get more control further down the line depending on what you wish to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 That's how I did it since the beginning until someone asked me why do I do this because I can use fill (and fill worked fine). Creating a rectangle isn't more flexibe, because if I make the artboard larger by a few mm, I need to change the rectangle too instead of auto filling the document. It shouldn't behave like that because bleed IS part of the document.. And on M1s people can export and color is covering the whole artboard. Also someone mentioned that it was fixed (meaning it filled the whole document before). Original thread: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_783649 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) This. For me it is strange why bleeds do not working properly with artboards. Be it an artboard fill or colored shape layer placed to the bottom of an artboard. Bleed is always white on raster exports when it should match the contents placed over. It's only correct when exporting to PDF. But in Affinity Designer app it remains invisible and on any raster export it became white. I believe there's a current logic behind using artboards that strictly clips any content outside of an artboard boundaries. And bleed is considered to be an outside part of it, so I technically understand why it became white. I also believe that there's should be a setting/toggle in selected artboard context toolbar – Clip Content. Or Show/Hide Bleed Content. Edited September 3, 2021 by Alex M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 That clip to canvas when using artboards, never worked. It's ok when using with simple documents. Bleed is an important part as if you don't have it, your document will have white edges after print.. So it shouldn't be white.. If it's white, then why have it in the first place? User_783649 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 So are you gonna mark this as bug, or should I uninstall this and move back to Illustrator? I need a TIFF with bleed, and it won't export. JPEG bleed is also white.. WTF? It's SUCH A PITY I've invested hours into learning this app, instead of AI... Now I have to invest hours into learning that too. How can I do my work and make my $ with this app when I can't do simple things like a bleed export.. Don't tell me the option is there in export persona, to simply export extra white pixels.. Edit: Happening with Artboards only. A 2018 thread was found with this issue. Fixed back then, seems to be back now. please PLEASE fix bleeds as they are important for printing. User_783649 and 3joern 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I also struggle with this bleed problem for a long time in my professional workflow. Please @Sean P that can't be serious that you can check bleed in the export options that is a white area for the print. This must be change. Edit: for all export options, not only PDF (where it works like expected) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 As you can see, 2 months have passed, and still nothing. There is no use in working in this app if you are serious about your workflow. It's a good app to learn vector, then move on to Illustrator. I SERIOUSLY don't understand how can bleed, a very important thing in printing, can be ignored in a so called design software.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 As I said, it works as it should for the PDF export (for print). But in other file formats (which I sometimes have to use) the bleed option is there, but it only exports a white area. But the fact that the bleed is not visible during editing is really also a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 No it doesn't work. Make an artboard w bleed, fill with a color, export it as PDF. Bleed is White. - It only exports correctly if you make a black rectangle or whatever color on the artboard, if you just fill it, it won't work (but IT DID BEFORE!). Bleed is a total mess in the latest designer versions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 nono, the PDF export with bleed really works... hmmm, I take a short video in a second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 sorry it's not so easy and change the Language, but here you can see it's work for PDFs (btw – I choose a print Format and must change from rgb to cmyk 🤣 without Artboard and with Artboard bleed.mp4 bleed2.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_783649 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 This is still strange to me, after several months. Designer is a vector editing program. There are even paper size presets available in new document window. So that means that, probably, some of the people may want to actually print their work, print their artboards. Being able to visually control the bleed area before the export is crucial. But it is not working with artboards. I believe that artboards, just as pages in Publisher, should receive the ability to display the bleed area around them. So they shouldn't be always strictly clipped to their own bounds if any bleed is applied to them. So, definitely it's a bug. If it is done intentionally by design, then it is a very serious design flaw. 3joern and norbinw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 If you make an ARTBOARD, and fill it with black (no square, no nothing, fill) and export, it will export as white bleed. If you make the SAME but no-artboard, a simple print A4, and fill with black (no square, no nothing) export, it works.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 ok, that's right, I just tested it, but in my entire career I have never coloured the actual artboard/layout, I always set an extra background. Checkbox without function Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 I sometimes make artboards for labels, and just fill them with black, instead of making a rectangle and dragging to the bleed edges.. it worked until recently. There is no need to add a rectangle as background, instead of coloring the background.. It's an extra step, and like I said, it worked before. Other people on this forum suggested it to me, because I was working like you, making an artboard, then making another background on it (for no reason). It shouldn't work like this, because guess what, if you don't use artboard (but still use bleed) and repeat the same thing on a non artboard document, it exports fine. When you create objects over bleed area, the export ok as PDF. But not in JPEG, TIFF etc. That's a different bug, still bleed related. That's why Bleed is a joke in this app. It behaves differently in every situation, when it simply shouldn't. User_783649 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Again I need a TIFF document with bleed and AGAIN I can't export it. Admins seem to ignore this issue.. What should I do now??? Why the F*** did I pay for this beta app is beyond me. You must understand my frustration, as I am against time, making money, and can't give the client what he wants!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 make a PDF and convert to TIFF, is not what you want, but it's work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbinw Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Exporting to PDF gives me bugs, as I have mentioned it on the forum some time ago (transparency bug thread, by me), but surprise surprise, Ignored and present till this day. All I wanted is to rasterize everything via TIFF export, because I want to get what I see, and don't need further edit.. And export that rasterized image with bleed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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