Coloured artboard should extend to bleed

[abra100pro]

I coloured an artboard blue and layouted stuff on it. at export with bleed and cropmarks the artboard's blue did not extend into the bleed - I'd love the artboard to do that (extend into bleed).

[Old Bruce]

Impossible, the bleed is, by definition, outside the Artboard.

[MEB]

@abra100pro,
Use a blue rectangle on the bottom of the layer stack and extend it beyond the bleed.

[abra100pro]

Yes I know that one, but since there is a possiblity to colour the artboard (which is really cool) it doesn't hurt to think about its behaviour with bleed. Since someone is colouring the whole artboard it is very likely that the endproduct should be covered in that colour completely. So it would make sense to extend this in the export into the bleeed, no? 

There is no case I can think of in which it makes sense that this colour stops at the artboard's boundaries and the bleed is white - it would lead to ugly flashes at the border when cutting.

[MEB]

Fair point. I do not know if that's possible since artboards are just (special) objects. What you are asking is that the fill extends beyond the boundary of the object. If you decide for example convert it back to a rectangle  ( you can convert ob ejects to artboards and vice versa) how will the fill behave for example?

[abra100pro]

If possible the colour bleed should be "attached" to the artboard, meaning that is disappears when one converts the artboard to an object. This is my first thought, though... I do know that the status quo most certainly leads to possible problems (it almost happened to me, today).

[abra100pro]

Related to this: I can give artboards a fill colour - why not a border colour, too? It would be very handy when - for instance - designing a ton of banners on white, which should all have a decent bright grey border in order to look good on a white website. Now I always end up integrating a rectangle which stands in the way everywhere: at selecting things on the artboard (the border is most likely the topmost layer on this artboard) and resizing artboard,...

[walt.farrell]

31 minutes ago, abra100pro said:

Now I always end up integrating a rectangle which stands in the way everywhere: at selecting things on the artboard (the border is most likely the topmost layer on this artboard)

Shouldn't a rectangle that is providing a border be the bottom layer on the artboard? If it were on top, it would cover all the artboard content.

[abra100pro]

It depends on the design. Often it is giving the whole design a border, then it is on top.

[walt.farrell]

Just now, abra100pro said:

It depends on the design. Often it is giving the whole design a border, then it is on top.

I'm having a hard time envisioning that, unless you're creating a hollow rectangle (center cut out and transparent, edges colored).

[Wosven]

5 hours ago, abra100pro said:

It depends on the design. Often it is giving the whole design a border, then it is on top.

For me, it depends also of the type of objects existing. Long ago, we only had text and picture frame... It was a pain to use one of those for a stroke on top and easily select/modify elements below (it was always selected first).

Today, we can use frames without content in some apps, so it's easy to click through and select other elements. In APub, we can convert a rectangle to curves, but it's not the same. I didn't test this a lot...