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Hello everybody,

do someone know how I can bring the first letters of a text field more to the left?
The letterspacing is working at all, but not for the first letters in a text box to the left.
For Example a big I (like Indian) is not in a line together with the letter below.

Do someone have a work arround for that issue, please?

Thanks and best regards
Markus

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Posted

I think what you want is in the Optical Alignment section of the Character Panel. You'll need to set up a section for the letters (,I F, L, M, N etc) and use Manual. Store this in a Character Style to apply when you want  to use it.

Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 
Affinity Designer 2.6.0 | Affinity Photo 2.6.0 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.0 | Beta versions as they appear.

I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.

Posted
20 minutes ago, Markus 86 said:

For Example a big I (like Indian) is not in a line together with the letter below.

It will be in line, if both are using the same font and font size. Your problem is that the "space" is the standard space to the left of the letter based on the metrics in the font, and that value is relative to the font size. So, with equal size and same font, I and F will line up. But with different font sizes they won't:

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@Old Bruce is right that Optical Alignment can handle this for you. Here's that same setup but with the I optically aligned further left:

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-- Walt
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Posted

First, thanks for your post.
It sounds like a global changing for these chars for me.

In fact I only want to move the first chars they aren't in a line with the others to the left, but that doesn't work in publisher.
With Indesign for example it's a standard feature. I'm usining affinity publisher for my first project now.

If you you compare the screen of my first post to these, maybe it's more clean what I mean.

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Posted

Hello Walt,

that's much more complicated than just press "Option" + "left" like in Indesign, but it works 😀
Thank for your declaration, I got it now, but maybe it's easier to put these headline in a separate box and move them to the left. 😉 

Not the clean version but i'ts also working.

Best regards 
Markus

Posted

You're welcome.

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
    Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2,  16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU
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Posted

I think it’s worth mentioning that if you use Artistic Text, rather than Frame Text, then the first letter form should be ‘butted-up’ against the side of the layer.
See attached image, Artistic Text up top and Text Frame below, both layers snapped to the same vertical guide.

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Posted

Hello Garry,

thank your for this information, that's good to know.

That would be similar like I mentioned it in my post before, with a own box.
Unfortunatly is it not working if you use a textbox with a lot of pages, text and headlines together.

Maybe one time they will create an artistic textbox you can use as an usual text box.

Best regards 
Markus

Posted
2 minutes ago, Markus 86 said:

Unfortunatly is it not working if you use a textbox with a lot of pages, text and headlines together.

It can work, but you will probably need to Pin the Artistic Text into the Text Frame so it Floats in position if the other text moves.

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
    Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2,  16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
Mac:  2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.5

Posted

Definitely I'll suggest the function that you can push first chars of a textbox to the left soon.

Walt, I know what you want to tell me, but I don't have the practical knowledge to pin these Artic Text into to the textbox.

Maybe you have a little tip to change that.

 

Posted
20 minutes ago, Markus 86 said:

but I don't have the practical knowledge to pin these Artic Text into to the textbox.

Sounds like an opportunity to learn :)

Basically:

  1. Create the Text Frame, and its text, with room for the Artistic Text. Put the text cursor where you'd like to pin the Artistic Text.
  2. Create the Artistic Text. You may need to do this outside the Text Frame.
  3. Drag the Artistic Text into position where it needs to be in the Text Frame.
  4. With the Artistic Text selected, click the Float with Text "Pin" in the Toolbar:
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  5. Then, if needed, drag the blue Pin character to adjust its position.

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
    Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2,  16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
Mac:  2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.5

Posted

Thank you very much for that lesson.

I decided for myself to use an artistic text and set them to text wrap.
So I can put the headlines onto the text boxes and it will automaticly push the copy text away without making manuell brakes.

Best regards 
Markus

 

Posted
49 minutes ago, Markus 86 said:

I decided for myself to use an artistic text and set them to text wrap.
So I can put the headlines onto the text boxes and it will automaticly push the copy text away without making manuell brakes.

That will work. But be aware that if you do not Pin the Artistic Text, then it may end up moving relative to the other text. For example, if you were to add to the text that appears before the headline, it could flow "under" the headline and appear after the headline. Pinning it will keep the headline where you want it, even if the text in before/above the headline grows or shrinks.

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
    Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2,  16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
Mac:  2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.5

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