Distance from Top of Page or Top Margin

[Petar Petrenko]

1 minute ago, MikeW said:

you can wait X amount of time for Serif

Of course I'll wait (if they find it usefull to implement it). This is a suggestion for a new feature.

[MikeW]

[MikeW]

(I knew I shouldn't have started my computer. Seems it was all for naught. So off to make my G&T and listen to jazz...)

[Petar Petrenko]

If you read this thread from the start you would see that I mentioned 4 paragraphs for this example. not only 1 or 2.

In some cases I have 2 or more authors with their affiliations and/or 2 or more lines with UDC numbers (the very first row). And there is the abstract, too. So, the baseline grid doesn't work in this cases.

[Petar Petrenko]

2 minutes ago, MikeW said:

(I knew I shouldn't have started my computer. Seems it was all for naught. So off to make my G&T and listen to jazz...)

I really appreciate your effort, but I think we didn't undestand each other well. Thank you very much.

[MikeW]

2 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

If you read this thread from the start you would see that I mentioned 4 paragraphs for this example. not only 1 or 2.

In some cases I have 2 or more authors with their affiliations and/or 2 or more lines with UDC numbers (the very first row). And there is the abstract, too. So, the baseline grid doesn't work in this cases.

And all likely solvable in the here and now. So why don't you provide a worse case and I'll solve it if I can.

[MikeW]

2 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

I really appreciate your effort, but I think we didn't undestand each other well. Thank you very much.

I understand exactly. But nothing does what you want and will likely never will.

It's a nice request. I just don't see any company implementing it any time soon. 

[Petar Petrenko]

Just now, MikeW said:

It's a nice request. I just don't see any company implementing it any time soon. 

So, why not Affinity to be the first one? It is not very hard to implent and it is rather interesting and usefull and it saves time.

5 minutes ago, MikeW said:

So why don't you provide a worse case and I'll solve it if I can.

I can't because this is not on me. Lots of stories in one book with different requests.

Thanks anyway.

[Old Bruce]

I finally understand the request. But I see so many problems arising from people having the same Paragraph style applied for the whole document with the result being every paragraph would line up on the start position.

[Petar Petrenko]

Just now, Old Bruce said:

I finally understand the request. But I see so many problems arising from people having the same Paragraph style applied for the whole document with the result being every paragraph would line up on the start position.

The paragraphs I mentioned are only at the starting of every story, not through it.

[MikeW]

18 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

So, why not Affinity to be the first one? It is not very hard to implent and it is rather interesting and usefull and it saves time.

I can't because this is not on me. Lots of stories in one book with different requests.

Thanks anyway.

I agree. It's an interesting idea if nothing else. 

Currently, the two (or more) lines for the abstract number with the title beginning at a set position is also possible. 

The number(s) wouldn't actually need to utilize the feature anyway as it is top of frame. 

[Petar Petrenko]

3 minutes ago, MikeW said:

The number(s) wouldn't actually need to utilize the feature anyway as it is top of frame. 

Except the abstract, the other 3 paragraphs may span to more than one line, including the UDC numbers in the first raw.

[Old Bruce]

@MikeW Just so I am clear, you are talking about using Quark, right?

I found a neat hack for using the baseline grid in Publisher which has a useless/broken implementation of the Text Frame Baseline Grid's offset start position. I think it is broken because it doesn't do what I want it to. It is done quickly but shows proof of concept.

weird hack.afpub

[MikeW]

16 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Except the abstract, the other 3 paragraphs may span to more than one line, including the UDC numbers in the first raw.

But the only variables that need setting to a grid are the Title and Author. These can be handled to always be in the same place on a page. Then it doesn't matter whether the Abstract number has 1, 2 or how many lines. Same with the Author. It doesn't matter how many lines the Title has. One just needs to identify the combination of worse case for Abstract lines and Title lines and once the two baselines are set (one for page, one for the master text frames) and all is good. 

[MikeW]

13 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

@MikeW Just so I am clear, you are talking about using Quark, right?

Yes. I only started the computer to handle a job's edits and as long as I had Q started, I used it. I'm now into my second G&T so I'm not going anywhere near the computer the rest of the day...I think. I hope. 

[Petar Petrenko]

4 minutes ago, MikeW said:

Same with the Author.

Author can be in this format:

Author 1
Affiliation 1

Author 2
Affiliation 2

Author 3
Affiliation 3

...
...

[Old Bruce]

Yes, Do not operate machinery.

 

[MikeW]

14 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

Yes, Do not operate machinery.

 

I'm home alone for a month. I'm  now at one week into the month and I would have to walk to find machinery. Well, I have machinery out in the shop but I've only hurt myself using hand tools since 1987. So I'll stay away from them too...

[MikeW]

19 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Author can be in this format:

Author 1
Affiliation 1

Author 2
Affiliation 2

Author 3
Affiliation 3

...
...

That's also doable but you do know that with such Author citations all the Abstracts proper would start about 32mm to 40mm from the bottom of the page. But if that is what my client would demand, I would do it...along with the requisite footnotes. It would be a stupid choice but whatever. 

[Petar Petrenko]

3 minutes ago, MikeW said:

It would be a stupid choice but whatever. 

Yes, I agree. But all the authors have prof. PhD titles of the Philosophy and Phylology faculties. Most of them are so arogant and hard to work with. They don't give me clean text, because they expect it is my job to correct it.

[MikeW]

7 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Yes, I agree. But all the authors have prof. PhD titles of the Philosophy and Phylology faculties. Most of them are so arogant and hard to work with. They don't give me clean text, because they expect it is my job to correct it.

Like I wrote, I would comply. And yes, a few years ago I did a 5 volume set and needed to work with a new editor (new to editing altogether) and 4 people who were too smart for their own good. 

As for text, I clean it up in Word, ensure all styles are set properly, generally using a set of macros, and export to tagged text. Comes into Q clean and only takes 10 minutes to an hour per file.

[Petar Petrenko]

I was a QXP user several years ago and now, while I'm waiting for Publisher to introduce footnotes, I use ID. I start with:

1. cleaning the text in ID,
2. convert local character formating with character styles,
3. apply text style to the whole document because more than 90% of it is body text,
4. apply the rest of the styles.

Number 2 could be avoided if the A-Team decide not to reset local character formatings with applying local paragraph or paragraph style formatings. It would dramaticaly accelerate my workflow.

[MikeW]

I do believe ID can do what I did with Q. But note that I don't use grids much in what I do. I just know how to use them.

I do the same process pretty much but in Word. The whole thing comes in styled. Even if I started with plain text, I use my text editor to tag the text using grep and then import it. 

[Old Bruce]

4 hours ago, MikeW said:

 I use my text editor to tag the text using grep and then import it. 

My preferred work flow.

[MikeW]

12 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

My preferred work flow.

I prefer reasonably formatted Word files as the cleanup macros and export to tagged text takes a few minutes at most, though I will likely still run the result through the text editor.