Finding "Word Position Forms" in Text Styles

[cbordey]

Hello,

I'm using EB Garamond for my project. When I italicize a paragraph, it gives me this annoying 'e' variant (see pic). I can get rid of it by going to typography and deselecting "final forms" under "word position forms." But I don't want to do this manually for every single paragraph...In looking through the Text Styles, I don't see a similar option under typography. Is it listed as something else? Is there another way to get rid of the variant using text styles? Thanks!

 

 

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, cbordey said:

In looking through the Text Styles, I don't see a similar option under typography.

I do not have EB Garamond installed but I think you should find the option you want if you click on the next item below "Alternates," the one named "Variants." There should be a section there labeled "Word position forms:" with "Initial forms" as the first item in that section.

Edited July 5, 2021 by R C-R

[cbordey]

I checked there and it wasn't available. Went with a different font. Thanks for replying though!

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[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, Lagarto said:

If is "Final Forms" positional OT feature that is by default on for this font.

I suppose this is a bug in Affinity apps. The positional alternates are not on e.g. in InDesign for this font.

 

The Final Forms are on by default for this font in Affinity Publisher:

 

I'm not sure if they are on by default in general (e.g., for all fonts that have final forms). Is that something that a font designer can specify, or is it up to the application designer?

If it's up to the application designer, I would not say that doing it differently from InDesign makes it a bug, unless importing text from InDesign is broken. That is, unless text imported from InDesign that has Final Forms disabled suddenly appears in Publisher with Final Forms enabled.

 

[walt.farrell]

On 7/4/2021 at 11:16 PM, R C-R said:

I do not have EB Garamond installed but I think you should find the option you want if you click on the next item below "Alternates," the one named "Variants." There should be a section there labeled "Word position forms:" with "Initial forms" as the first item in that section.

 

9 hours ago, cbordey said:

I checked there and it wasn't available. Went with a different font.

It's there:

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[MikeW]

initial forms, the medial forms and final forms are suppose to be off by default. Unless required by the language. 

The responsibility for this problem lies both with the font designers and application creators. 

[R C-R]

59 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

10 hours ago, cbordey said:

I checked there and it wasn't available. Went with a different font.

It's there:

Just to be clear, are you saying you see it when the Paragraph style is set to use the EB Garamond font? I don't think that should matter but it is not something I am sure about.

[cbordey]

Thanks everyone, I see where it is now. I've been using text styles (instead of paragraph styles) this whole time, thinking it was just Affinity's name for paragraph styles. What is the benefit of having text style and character style and paragraph style? If I was using Indesign correctly in the past, it only had paragraph style and character style.

 

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, cbordey said:

What is the benefit of having text style and character style and paragraph style?

I am sure someone else can explain this better but as I understand it a text style is just a collection of text properties (IOW, a text style) applied to one or more characters. This could be in addition to a saved character or paragraph style, or an alternative to any of them (called "[no style]" in the UI, meaning the absence of any character or paragraph style).

Also, I think when you said you were using text styles instead of paragraph styles, you may have meant you were using character styles.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, R C-R said:

Just to be clear, are you saying you see it when the Paragraph style is set to use the EB Garamond font? I don't think that should matter but it is not something I am sure about.

Yes.

EB Garamond is a free download from Google Fonts if you want to see for yourself.

[R C-R]

11 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes.

EB Garamond is a free download from Google Fonts if you want to see for yourself.

Thanks for the info but since the OP found the Variants section I don't need to do that -- I already have more fonts installed than I will ever use.