TimoCreations Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I am using Affinity Publisher and also the other two programs within it. When I put a texture layer with a multiply blendmode inside of a group, for some reason it is also affecting all the layers beneath it that aren't in that group. The group blendmode is set to Transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I am not familiar with a blend mode of Transfer in the Affinity applications. There is a Passhhrough, if you mean that one. Can you give us a screenshot including the Layers panel with the group expanded? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 8, 2021 Author Share Posted May 8, 2021 Yes, I think the Passthrough blend mode is called Transfer in German. Here's a screenshot. Basically, the DAUB Paper layer with multiply blend mode is also affecting the group beneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Thanks. That should help someone figure it out, but I'm afraid I'm out of ideas for now. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Still no reply from someone other than Walt - This is pretty major and I have yet to find a solution. Any input is much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedee Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, TimoCreations said: Any input is much appreciated. Good day, I am simply responding to provide "input" as you mentioned. I am not adept in blend modes. But from my limited experience with design software, it appears that similar apps (i.e. Photoshop CS4) behaves the same way. I think in the case referred to above, it appears that the Passthrough/Transfer blend setting in the group enables the Blend mode in that group to pass through or transfer to the other layers or groups below it, however if the group blend mode is set to Normal, the blend mode chosen on the layers in that group will only apply to the selected group. Hope someone else can provide additional input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 Hello jaedee, thanks for the input. Though, the passthrough blend mode works differently in Affinity. With the passthrough blend mode, the group has no specific blend mode on its own and that's always worked for me before. When I put the blend mode of the group to normal, then the texture layer coveres the whole screen and it ignores the multiply blend mode of the layer completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedee Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Interested in how others may respond to better understand. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 15 hours ago, jaedee said: Good day, I am simply responding to provide "input" as you mentioned. I am not adept in blend modes. But from my limited experience with design software, it appears that similar apps (i.e. Photoshop CS4) behaves the same way. I think in the case referred to above, it appears that the Passthrough/Transfer blend setting in the group enables the Blend mode in that group to pass through or transfer to the other layers or groups below it, however if the group blend mode is set to Normal, the blend mode chosen on the layers in that group will only apply to the selected group. Hope someone else can provide additional input. You are correct. Passthrough blend mode means the Group should simply help to organise objects without influencing the way its contents blend with the scene underneath the Group. Affinity's Passthrough does behave in that way as long as there is not a mixture of adjustment/filter and non-adjustment/filter objects inside the group. When there is such a mixture, Affinity invents its own rules and breaks compatibility with other apps such as Photoshop and a workaround is required to make Affinity behave sensibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted May 12, 2021 Staff Share Posted May 12, 2021 Hi @TimoCreations, Sorry to hear you're having trouble! As mentioned above, Passthrough blend mode and groups in Affinity do work slightly differently to other creative apps, which may explain some of the confusion surrounding this currently. The easiest way for us to demonstrate the best solution would be with a copy of your .afpub file - can you please upload this to your reply here for us? If you wish to upload the file privately, you can do so through the link below - https://www.dropbox.com/request/8LbbMuZ4ajnwveVOyzck Should you choose to upload to the Dropbox link, please post here to let us know once the file has been uploaded, many thanks in advance Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dan C said: Hi @TimoCreations, Sorry to hear you're having trouble! As mentioned above, Passthrough blend mode and groups in Affinity do work slightly differently to other creative apps, which may explain some of the confusion surrounding this currently. The easiest way for us to demonstrate the best solution would be with a copy of your .afpub file - can you please upload this to your reply here for us? If you wish to upload the file privately, you can do so through the link below - https://www.dropbox.com/request/8LbbMuZ4ajnwveVOyzck Should you choose to upload to the Dropbox link, please post here to let us know once the file has been uploaded, many thanks in advance Hello, thanks a lot for the response! I have uploaded the file to the dropbox link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted May 12, 2021 Staff Share Posted May 12, 2021 Many thanks for the document! As other users have confirmed above, this is not a bug in the Affinity app, when grouping layers together they will still be applied to other layers beneath it, hence why this texture layer is also affecting the background etc. If you wish to selectively apply this texture to the group layer only, then I recommend duplicating the group and then applying this as a clipped mask to the texture layer, as shown below - 2021-05-12 14-47-42.mp4 I hope this clears things up Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedee Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I appreciate the solution. Took me a moment, finally realized that the visibility of the texture layer had to be disabled before clipping the duplicate, doesn't appear to work in any other order. Much appreciated. Dan C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Dan C said: Many thanks for the document! As other users have confirmed above, this is not a bug in the Affinity app, when grouping layers together they will still be applied to other layers beneath it, hence why this texture layer is also affecting the background etc. If you wish to selectively apply this texture to the group layer only, then I recommend duplicating the group and then applying this as a clipped mask to the texture layer, as shown below - 2021-05-12 14-47-42.mp4 13.56 MB · 0 downloads I hope this clears things up Thank you so much! This should fix my problem. The only problem I have with this, though, is that any changes I make to the boat group will not automatically be applied to the clipping mask (if I place stuff outside the mask or change the form). This solution should work for this project, but I'm very open to finding a solution to not having to re-apply the mask, whether though an idea or through a future update. But again, many thanks. jaedee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Oh hey, I figured out a solution! Select the Group you want the texture layer on make it a "Symbol" in the Symbol window in Designer. Copy the Symbol Group and drag it as a clipping mask into the texture layer, like shown in the video above. Now any changes will be applied to both! Dan C and jaedee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, TimoCreations said: I figured out a solution! Yes, you can use symbols – or linked layers in Photo – as a "remote control". Via Photo's Links panel you can actually easily enable and disable Symbol attributes that should or should not sync. (You can achieve similar results by temporarily disabling the "Sync" button in the Symbols panel, but the Links panel gives you immediate control.) The great thing with the Affinity ecosystem is that you can seamlessly switch an open document between Designer and Photo (and Publisher, of course) on the fly. Here's an example I posted a few weeks ago in another thread: aph_placed_image_as_mask_remote_control.mp4 Another similar example screencast from yet another recent thread: ade_aph_apu_linked_symbols.mp4 Dan C 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedee Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 figured out a solution! Great simplified method. @TimoCreations 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimoCreations Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, loukash said: Yes, you can use symbols – or linked layers in Photo – as a "remote control". Via Photo's Links panel you can actually easily enable and disable Symbol attributes that should or should not sync. (You can achieve similar results by temporarily disabling the "Sync" button in the Symbols panel, but the Links panel gives you immediate control.) The great thing with the Affinity ecosystem is that you can seamlessly switch an open document between Designer and Photo (and Publisher, of course) on the fly. Here's an example I posted a few weeks ago in another thread: aph_placed_image_as_mask_remote_control.mp4 1.6 MB · 0 downloads Another similar example screencast from yet another recent thread: ade_aph_apu_linked_symbols.mp4 2.5 MB · 0 downloads That Links panel is so cool! Thanks for the information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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