DesignCat Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Hi, The image I'm working on looks a lot more saturated when exported. The difference in colour varies when exported in different file formats. I started working on it as sRGB but then changed the colour profile to CMYK as it will be sent off for print. The difference in colour was still there when exporting initially. I'm attaching a screenshot of the page in Publisher, a PNG export (with a PNG profile) and a PDF export (with a PDF for print profile). Hoping you can let me know where I messed up! page 3.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, DesignCat said: The difference in colour varies when exported in different file formats. I started working on it as sRGB but then changed the colour profile to CMYK as it will be sent off for print. The difference in colour was still there when exporting initially. I'm attaching a screenshot of the page in Publisher, a PNG export (with a PNG profile) PNG does not support CMYK. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignCat Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Ok, didn't know that, but PDF should, right? Yet when I export it as PDF, the colour is also a lot different to what I see on screen while editing in Publisher - have a look at the included document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 It would help to have the .afpub document, too, not just the exported .pdf file. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignCat Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Sure thing, here Newsletter_tester.afpub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 6 hours ago, DesignCat said: the colour is also a lot different to what I see on screen while editing in Publisher ICC profile for monitor in OS is OK? Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DesignCat Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 I see, is there any way to export the document in CMYK to reflect the colours that will actually be printed? I'd rather hand over the CMYK file and be sure the document will print exactly as intended. Changing the PDF export settings myself to CMYK and Fogra 27 made no difference in what the exported document looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignCat Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 13 hours ago, Pšenda said: ICC profile for monitor in OS is OK? If it was the monitor colour profile, would it still show differently in Publisher though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pšenda Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 9 hours ago, DesignCat said: If it was the monitor colour profile, would it still show differently in Publisher though? Yes, if the ICC profile is incorrect or damaged, the colors on the monitor will be displayed incorrectly and will not match with the exported/printed image. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignCat Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 8:31 PM, Lagarto said: If you exported to PDF/X1a:2003, it would convert colors to target color space (device CMYK) at export time so that there should happen no further interpretation of colors in print production. Whether these colors, when viewed on an RGB device like a computer display, are a reasonably good representation of what you would get on paper is much a matter of having well calibrated viewing environment. If it is, it does not matter much whether the exported document has actually been converted to CMYK color space, or if the colors are in RGB color space but the file contains information on how they should be converted to target color space, as long as the viewer app is color managed (and the viewing environment well calibrated). If you can verify that what you see in Publisher CMYK document is a good representation on what you would get on paper, it seems that the display profile is ok and you have a color managed environment. Then it is much dependent on the viewing app whether the colors are shown correctly translated to target color space and shown (reasonably) realistically (considering the difference of color production between RGB and CMYK).. Thanks for your explanation, that makes it a lot easier to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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