Pinned Floated text frame

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Trying to float pin a text frame in right margin. Frame gets pushed way out off the page. Manual placement is not checked. Using Mac OS 10.13.6 on intel MacBook Pro. When I try to set the horizontal placement, the input field text turns red and won't accept what I enter. Unpin works but when I pin again, same problem.

 

Sidebar Pinning Example1.afpub

[carl123]

11 minutes ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

When I try to set the horizontal placement, the input field text turns red and won't accept what I enter

Not sure what you mean but adjusting the settings in the Pinning Studio seem to work correctly and eliminates the "problem"

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Nope. I AM using the Pinning Studio to attempt adjustments. Not working. Worked at first. Now doesn't

 

[carl123]

34 minutes ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

Trying to float pin a text frame in right margin

Where exactly do you mean by right margin?

Do you have a screenshot (with pinning disbaled) where you want the 

Ignore this posted by mistake

[carl123]

Is this what you are trying to do?

 

 

[Old Bruce]

hi @Randall Lee Reetz

That file (Sidebar Pinning .....) causes my Mac to seize up so I have no idea what is causing you your problems.

Try this file. I have colour coded the three items you have pinned in your example. I set the offsets to an eighth of an inch to the outside right of the main Text Frame.

pinning.afpub

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Notice the settings in the Pinning "Studio" (why isn't this called a "pallet" as it is called in all other applications???). Doesn't matter what I do. I have tried to unpin, I have tried to manually position. I have tried all horizontal and vertical align settings (references and offsets as well). ?????? 

 

[Randall Lee Reetz]

The document data is corrupted somehow somewhere and there seems no way to uncorrupt it. This is scary stuff. I am sure I don't need to remind anyone here that we users are working on documents of value, documents that we or our client's have spent years preparing for and or building. I need to trust the applications I run my work through. In just two days of noodling around in Affinity Publisher I've been tripped up by several BIG problems, inconsistencies, bugs, bottlenecks, slow slow slow to a stop performance, document size issues (even with nothing but unformatted text in the document). I want to use Affinity products but something tells me that Serif has bit off too much to chew, isn't hiring as required? It's one thing to design a fairly clean (Adobe-like) interface, quite another to build a rock solid, document size independent data and editing architecture underneath. Is there a funding issue? Is Serif underfunded? I remain hopeful as I HATE monopolies and the idiocy they breed. But a user must be able to have reasonable trust that their documents will be protected from data loss and logic corruption. 

 

Note: There is semantic confusion here in the Pinning Studio. The align settings refer to parts of lines, frames, etc, but do not make it clear what is the object and what is the subject. When pinning a text frame to text in another text frame, which of the two is referenced in the pinning studio's alignment settings? Why isn't there an "info" button in every studio that would bring up (in context) explanatory help information for that studio? What exactly does "keep within bounds" mean? What "bounds"?

[loukash]

38 minutes ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

The document data is corrupted

Yep.
I wouldn't waste too much time trying to fix this document. Simply start over.

47 minutes ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

isn't hiring as required?

Well, they're hiring.
It's likely not as easy to bring good developers to move to Nottingham, UK; post-Brexit, nota bene.

[thomaso]

19 hours ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

Trying to float pin a text frame in right margin. Frame gets pushed way out off the page.

With your .afpub I get a lot beach ball delays even with simple tasks like activating the offset value text field in the pinning panel. So I also assume your .afpub got corrupted somehow, wonder what might cause it. Possibly any document size related after pinning/unpinning, e.g. changed page properties like facing or margin or delete or move pages? – In a short test don't experience issues with such a pinned object:

[Randall Lee Reetz]

The document was uploaded here on this forum. Had one column of text frame, had two pinned text frames. Nothing else. No long manuscript. No big images. No images at all. If a document this simple gets corrupted simply by flipping the studio settings, I would be hesitant to spend a great deal of time and effort on an actual project. 

[Randall Lee Reetz]

7 minutes ago, thomaso said:

With your .afpub I get a lot beach ball delays even with simple tasks like activating the offset value text field in the pinning panel. So I also assume your .afpub got corrupted somehow, wonder what might cause it. Possibly any document size related after pinning/unpinning, e.g. changed page properties like facing or margin or delete or move pages? – In a short test don't experience issues with such a pinned object:

 

This is how its supposed to work. 

 

[Randall Lee Reetz]

The "Keep within bounds" option… what exactly are the "bounds" being referenced?

[loukash]

5 hours ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

what exactly are the "bounds" being referenced?

It's contextual. Hence the usage of the neutral term "bounds".

Set up a simple test document and experiment with all the settings to learn what this feature does.
And as usual, if everything else fails, as the very last resort, it is often being recommended to consult the manual. (Go figure.)
Or watch a nice tutorial.

[thomaso]

16 hours ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

Note: There is semantic confusion here in the Pinning Studio. The align settings refer to parts of lines, frames, etc, but do not make it clear what is the object and what is the subject. When pinning a text frame to text in another text frame, which of the two is referenced in the pinning studio's alignment settings? (...) What exactly does "keep within bounds" mean? What "bounds"?

Actually all parameters in the Pinning Panel concern the pinned subject in relation to its parent object, while each setting refers to the object.
You can read the parameters in the Pinning Panel from top to bottom like a sentence, e.g.

"Float subject A aligned at X of object B with offset Y" …

FLOAT the subject A (= the selected object, which enables the panel at all) HORIZONTAL ALIGNed at X (various options) OF the object B (various options) with the additional conditions of OFFSET Y (= its offset relative to the object) and do/don't KEEP the subject WITHIN the BOUNDS* of the object (e.g. to avoid intersection of subject and object even if offset is set to intersect)

* Bounds > see bounding box

16 hours ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

Why isn't there an "info" button in every studio that would bring up (in context) explanatory help information for that studio?

My guess: because effort and profit differ too much (…and might not prevent entirely from semantic confusion, too)
Note: Affinity, called* "professional", expects some (not documented / defined) experience and understanding of terms within a design process.
* "Affinity Publisher is the next generation of professional publishing software."

[Old Bruce]

12 hours ago, Randall Lee Reetz said:

Had one column of text frame, had two pinned text frames. Nothing else

And a pinned Image.

The various Pinned items are at times locked with no indication of how they got like that. Note the Xs instead of the Dots for the frames.

this is after I replaced the image with a screenshot of it.

[tonywaghorn]

I've run into some problems with locked items (that lock of their own accord).

I have managed to Copy them from the Layers Panel, but not delete them.

In the end I deleted the page they were stuck on, and as the text was in the main textflow, the items are gone, but most of the image content remains.

Am I the only one who cannot use image/frame placement consistently?