VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I can change font, font size, and other attributes but when I want my style's leading to change, I choose Exactly and select a pt size. Yet, other styles DO respond to change in leading in their "Edit Style" dialogue Nothing happens in response! Is there a reason for this? Could it be a bug? Thank you in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Does your style have Baseline Snap turned on? Do your Text Frames have Baseline Snap enabled? Either or both are most likely the problem. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 No to both, tho worthy guesses. Text Frames doesn't exactly say Baseline Snap, but the closest option, "Use Baseline Grid" is unchecked. The style had "Align to Baseline" checked but de-checking it didn't allow me to vary its lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user_0815 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Afaik leading can be set both in the Character and the Paragraph panel. Try setting it to "Auto" and "Standard". These settings are able to override each other. Perhaps that is the cause. Severi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, user_0815 said: leading can be set both in the Character and the Paragraph panel. No. Leading is set in the Paragraph panel (and Context Toolbar). Leading Override is set in the Character panel. The value in the Character panel will override the value in the Paragraph panel. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, VectorCat said: Text Frames doesn't exactly say Baseline Snap, but the closest option, "Use Baseline Grid" is unchecked. The style had "Align to Baseline" checked but de-checking it didn't allow me to vary its lead. Do you have Use Baseline Grid set for the document? (It's set in the Baseline Grid Manager.) If so, that will take precedence, unless the Text Frame says to "Ignore Baseline Grid". Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 I see no " Baseline Grid Manager" This is to me an unusually complex problem to solve, where, imo, it ought to be in just one place. In this conversation there seem to be multiple places which could be harming my efforts. And, ought not a paragraph-level style be the Final Word? If a text has a paragraph style applied, those are its marching orders. Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Do you have Use Baseline Grid set for the document? (It's set in the Baseline Grid Manager.) If so, that will take precedence, unless the Text Frame says to "Ignore Baseline Grid". I just checked Ignore Baseline Grid in the Text Frame pallet. No change. why so hard to get a document to let go of adherence to the baseline? I need to have control restored to me. Is there some universal control that de-effectuates the baseline grid's effect on my document? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, VectorCat said: And, ought not a paragraph-level style be the Final Word? If a text has a paragraph style applied, those are its marching orders. Correct? As Otley said "It depends...." Then he got hit very hard. If you could send a simple Publisher file with the problem (just copy and paste a frame with some filler text) we could maybe find the problem. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, VectorCat said: I see no " Baseline Grid Manager" View > Show Baseline Grid Manager. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, walt.farrell said: View > Show Baseline Grid Manager. thank you. use baseline grid already un-checked. working up a document to upload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, VectorCat said: Is there some universal control that de-effectuates the baseline grid's effect on my document? No, the document's baseline grid and the baseline grid that you can setup in each text frame are independent and there's no option that I know of to disable all of them. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Good to know, Walt..thank you. As requested, I am uploading a document with some text and that problem style applied to it. I indicate the name of said style. Thank you for putting eyes on this! baseline grid problem.afpub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 You have two paragraph returns after your first line. Pay attention bruce! This is not the problem. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 22 hours ago, VectorCat said: I can change font, font size, and other attributes but when I want my style's leading to change, I choose Exactly and select a pt size. Yet, other styles DO respond to change in leading in their "Edit Style" dialogue Nothing happens in response! Is there a reason for this? Could it be a bug? Thank you in advance You have an override in the character panel Screen Recording 2021-02-11 at 12.39.48 PM.mov Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorCat Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 Thank you Old Bruce. So, when creating styles, always consult the character panel to make sure everything is zeroed out, so that the style has free reign over the styled text? How does one handle the case in which you're formatting text using the non-style tools, then you get it just the way you want to, and then want to make a style from the selection? You have to go back and clean out all of those values? That would seem like a lot of unnecessary work and headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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