rpnfan Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 With 1.8.5 the export of the attached file worked fine. With 1.9 the vector element (dots showing a spectrum) is missing in the PDF. I tried several PDF export options. Does not make a difference... AP_bug_spectrum-missing.afpub AP_bug_spectrum-missing.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, rpnfan said: With 1.8.5 the export of the attached file worked fine. With 1.9 the vector element (dots showing a spectrum) is missing in the PDF. The linked files for this .afpub are missing so it is hard to do bug hunting. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 9, 2021 Staff Share Posted February 9, 2021 Hi rpnfan, As it is (with no access to resources/images) the file seems to be exporting correctly for me with the dots. Can you please zip the folder with the images/resources) so it can be tested properly please? AP_bug_spectrum-missing2_MEB.pdf Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference | Call for Camera Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Perhaps rpnfan is talking about the second dot PDF which is out of the visible area of the picture frame? Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 9, 2021 Staff Share Posted February 9, 2021 Didn't notice there was two instances of the spectrum, well spotted. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference | Call for Camera Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnfan Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 Thanks for the quick answer. I'm sorry that I forgot to embed the resources. Luckily I'm free of making any errors... Seriously: I embedded the resources in the file (and cleaned it up a bit to make it easier to spot what's wrong). I also uploaded the exported PDF I get without the dotted element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 This is interesting. Although Resource Manager reporting that both PDF files are embedded, Preflight reports them as Missing / Broken. Now locate both of the PDF (inside the picture frames) and change "PDF Passthrough" from "Passthrough" to "Interpret" and export again. This time everything should look as expected. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 9, 2021 Staff Share Posted February 9, 2021 Thanks for the filesrpnfan. What PDF preset are you using to export the file? There's more to it than that. Files also appear as linked in the Layers panel, cannot be edited as embedded documents, and the file exports fine for me with no changes to its passthrough state. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference | Call for Camera Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnfan Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 I tried different PDF export options. 'Press-ready' among others as well. There was no difference in the result. I do not understand the comment "more to that [...]. When I export a similar file from 1.85 everything is fine. Loading the same file into 1.9.0.930 Beta the export misses the dotted element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 There is more, because the handling of PDF files changed from 1.8x to 1.9x. With 1.9x you have the choice how to handle the PDF, as Passthrough (which means the PDF is treated like an un-editable image) or Interpret (which is the 1.8 behaviour, where the PDF is interpreted and editable). So I guess Serif needs the original .afpub document and both linked PDF files for further debugging. But this is just a guess. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnfan Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 Danke Joachim! "Schiefbahn" hab' ich ja noch nie gehört.... Here the package of a minimal error file. Indeed the vector elements are PDFs. I have not seen the option where to change the PDF behavior (pass-through) in the PDF export options ("digital - high quality" as another setting I tested). BTW, I have converted the original EPS vector files to PDF as a workaround, because of Affinity not being able to handle EPS correctly... 😕 I was hoping that bug would have finally be resolved after 5 years when reporting that problem first (color EPS imported / shown as greyscale 😞 ) BugPDF_AP19.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 You can set Passthrough or Interpret after placing a PDF, this is no export option. Schiefbahn ist eigentlich der Nabel der modernen Welt. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiefbahn Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 What I could detect this morning: a) When I open the package the resources are flagged as modified. When I update them they resize. But I handled this. b) The document colour is CMYK, the PDF are RGB. c) Exporting warns about areas to be rasterised, which is - at first sight - strange, because the PDFs are all vector. d) Exporting gave various results. X1, X3 and X4 showed the light bulb, with rest it was missing. Flatten was a total mess which should be examined, because I expected at least this to work. e) Yay, good news. Here is the recipe how to make the light bulb show with export preset "press-ready". Change the opacity for the picture frame back to 100% and reduce the opacity for the PDF inside the picture frame to 40%. Conclusion (for me): There are a lot of things going wrong here, which should be solved (Serif) and communicated how this could be repaired (user). Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnfan Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Thank you very much Joachim for the detailed analysis. I just also did some testing and indeed RGB vector elements (SVG OR PDF) are rasterized when put in a CYMK document -- which would not be necessary... 😞 I have not found a quick (and free) way to convert CMYK EPS to CMYK PDF or SVG files. That might work also possibly. The problem is also that Affinity (Designer, Publisher...) will not import CMYK EPS files correctly, but display them in gray. Without that bug I would not have to fiddle around with time-consuming workarounds and playing beta-tester here. 😮 For the time being I keep using 1.8.5 which at least gives me a workable output -- although with an unneeded bloated file size. EDIT: Even RGB vector elements are rasterized, when "Rasterize - unsupported properties" is chosen -- although RGB vector elements are supported in a PDF. And when unchecked (means "do not rasterize" is chosen the file size is tiny, with a perfect export of an RGB vector element to an RGB PDF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnfan Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 Hello Joachim, it seems that you are right and there are several bugs / problems contributing to the problems here. I do not have the impression that those bugs are picked up / acknowleged by the Serif team. Would one need to post those in a different way that someone is taking a look into them. I honestly also do not understand how bugs like the EPS files not importing correctly (which caused the need to look for workarounds -- which also do not work like they should, again due bugs) can not be corrected for so many years -- but at the same time claiming the programs would be for professional use... 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 15, 2021 Staff Share Posted February 15, 2021 Hi @rpnfan, Sorry the delay getting back to you. Thanks for the package file. I've logged the issue and passed the file to the dev team for further inspection. Jon P 1 Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference | Call for Camera Images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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