eluengo Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Is there any method to make an overstrike or overline on (a) word(s) or character(s)? == a line like underlining but on top of the words instead of under the words (as the normal underline) (to make certain mathematical expressions in Affinity Designer and/or Publisher) Emilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 It is called Strikethrough and is in the Character Panel, you can leave the little colour thing to 'clear' and the line will be the text colour instead of the grey I have here. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 No, no, I don’t mean strikethrough ! What I mean is a line ON TOP of the characters/glyphs/letters, not through the middle or under those. Like the example I send. Emilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Try Paragraph Decoration (negative Top) with Space Before Paragraph. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Pšenda said: Try Paragraph Decoration (negative Top) with Space Before Paragraph. This probably wouldn't work sufficiently since @eluengo wants to use it like character style, applied to "word(s) or character(s)" only, not entire lines or paragraphs. Unfortunately I don't know of a formatting method either, it appears additional, separate stroke objects are the only way. Used as floating pinned objects can make them at least move with text flow and text changes. line above as floating pin.m4v 7 hours ago, eluengo said: (to make certain mathematical expressions This makes me wonder if there would exist special font files for maths which possibly contain the desired glyphs? Here for instance seem to be some maths fonts listed ... https://ctan.org/topic/font-symbol-maths walt.farrell 1 Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 14 hours ago, eluengo said: Is there any method to make an overstrike or overline on (a) word(s) or character(s)? == a line like underlining but on top of the words instead of under the words (as the normal underline) (to make certain mathematical expressions in Affinity Designer and/or Publisher) Yes, follow your regular letter/character with the Combining Overline glyph. Old Bruce, thomaso and walt.farrell 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, anon2 said: follow your regular letter/character with the Combining Overline glyph. Good idea; thanks. Not perfect, though, as the combining overline is sensitive to the height of the letter it's applied to: Old Bruce and thomaso 2 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: the combining overline is sensitive to the height of the letter it's applied to Interesting. I’d expect the one over the ells to be higher than the one over the tee. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredB Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Alfred said: Interesting. I’d expect the one over the ells to be higher than the one over the tee. I wouldn't. I'd expect it to be at one height for uppercase characters and lowercase characters with ascenders, and a lower height for (lcase) characters without. Which is what seems to be happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, FredB said: I'd expect it to be at one height for uppercase characters and lowercase characters with ascenders, and a lower height for (lcase) characters without. That’s an entirely reasonable expectation, but not if (as per Walt’s comment) it’s “sensitive to the height of the letter it’s applied to”! Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Alfred said: That’s an entirely reasonable expectation, but not if (as per Walt’s comment) it’s “sensitive to the height of the letter it’s applied to”! Depends on which height one uses For some font metrics I would expect tee and el to have the same "height", and for this purpose they do. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Depends on which height one uses For some font metrics I would expect tee and el to have the same "height", and for this purpose they do. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Hi @Alfred, there may be an error in my browser (android Chrome), but I've been having trouble viewing your embedded images (maybe only GIF?) for a long time. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thomaso Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 6 hours ago, anon2 said: Yes, follow your regular letter/character with the Combining Overline glyph. Does it work centered for you? – To me the overline appears horizontally shifted, to the left if the letter follows the overline, to the right if the letter gets typed first: Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eluengo Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Thanx to all Discussion very interesting, the capability isn't yet installed in AFPUB but it will surely be in any future. Both solutions are interesting, I'll try overstrike glyph and pinned line solutions (this last can be also interesting in certain applications like drawing obtuse angle over letters, or also old style abbreviature details like in icons and hand-written religious texts) Emilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, thomaso said: To me the overline appears horizontally shifted, to the left if the letter follows the overline, to the right if the letter gets typed first: The letter must be typed first. The combining characters are applied to the character that precedes them. But for me, the combining overline is properly centered on the letter: (These are spaced letters, each with the combining overline following it. The spaces are not necessary, and are there only for clarity. Font is Arial.) Old Bruce 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, Alfred said: 1 hour ago, walt.farrell said: For some font metrics I would expect tee and el to have the same "height", and for this purpose they do. Whenever I need it, I get annoyed not to know if there are clear, unambiguous terms for these dimensions. In English or another language. According to this site in German the "Schriftgrad" = "Schriftgröße" (~ font size) would influence the vertically position of the overline for capitals + taller letters but the position itself seems to be unnamed here, unless the "Á-Linie" (Akzentlinie) is the overline position, too. – Same for the x-height which doesn't define/name the position of the overline or the dots of i and umlaut but a position slightly below only. Do the terms "Fleisch" and "Kegel" (Kegelhöhe) used formerly for lead setting have an equivalent in digital fonts? Those would name the largest dimensions of a glyph and possibly name the position of the overline, too. Unfortunately the English wiki version doesn't show this picture: Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: The letter must be typed first. The combining characters are applied to the character that precedes them. But for me, the combining overline is properly centered on the letter: Strange, can't get it centered. – Here a new text frame, left aligned, Arial. First typed M then double-clicked the "combined overline" in the glyph panel. The overline seems to be centered with the text cursor. Another oddity: The text cursor stops blinking as soon I double-click in the glyph panel. If I then use the delete key not the most recent glyph but the entire text frame gets deleted. As if activating the glyph in the panel partially deactivates the text cursor. Feels someway buggy. @anon2, @Old Bruce you are mac user, right? How does this work for you? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, thomaso said: Whenever I need it, I get annoyed not to know if there are clear, unambiguous terms for these dimensions. In English or another language. Does this help at all, Thomas? Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, thomaso said: but the position itself seems to be unnamed here, unless the "Á-Linie" (Akzentlinie) is the overline position, too. – Same for the x-height which doesn't define/name the position of the overline or the dots of i and umlaut but a position slightly below only. I don't think there's a term shown in that diagram. And I'm not sure if there's a term in general. To further confuse things, here is an A with diaeresis (aka umlaut) and a combining overline, followed by one with 3 combining overlines. I don't think there would be specific terms for the height lines when multiple combining items are added to a single letter. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Bruce Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, thomaso said: @Old Bruce you are mac user, right? How does this work for you? Combining Diacr.... etc marks gives me Lagarto has shown, with the odd exceptions of lower case i an j get the dots replaced with the mark. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Bruce Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 And to further add to the subject, not all fonts have the overstrike (Overstrike probably sounds better in Italian) so we have to take that into consideration. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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