276ccm Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Hi all, I´m working on a laser engraving design.. obviously and its fun! But I have a big problem.. It´s basically two layers now, one "outline" and one background" First I made the outline design with all the shadowing and expanded the strokes and used "add" to add them all together as one curve. Then I made the background All outside the outline but I made it a little bigger so I could have curves to fit exactly to the outline wnen using the subtract button. But when I use subtract it creates insane lots of unnessesary nodes (See screenshots) Is there any settings or reason why it makes so many nodes? It would take forever to try to clean up all this, as the laser engraver will go a little mental with all these nodes. I´m using a Mac Catalina 10.15.6 and Affinity Designer 1.8.6 Any help or tips would be very welcome 🙂 Edited November 30, 2020 by 276ccm Added tags :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
276ccm Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 I can try Inkscape but yes it’s horrible to work with! Do you know if illustrator has it too? Maybe silly to ask as I have a illustrator subscription but only to export to DXF files as affinity can’t.. but that’s all I use illustrator for :-) never open illustrator if it’s not for this :-) thanks for feedback! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy05 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 hours ago, BofG said: [...] That's what does it, unfortunately that functionality in Designer is very clunky. [...] ... that some kind of understatement here. I'd call Affinity's approach in this regards as almost unusable for creating proper designs for CNC and/or laser cutting (alongside with the lack of support of the DXF format). Yet again, we have to rely on third party apps and/or workarounds. Heidi_Lynn, Dazmondo77 and thomaso 3 Quote »A designer's job is to improve the general quality of life. In fact, it's the only reason for our existence.«Paul Rand (1914-1996) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
276ccm Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yea it’s a bit tricky but at the same time, I absolutely love working with Affinity designer, changing back and forth from the iPad and desktop.. it’s such a great app in most ways.. which still makes it worth it but it would be a big advantage with DXF and a few other improvements.. 🙂 Dazmondo77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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276ccm Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Cool! Thanks a lot! I’ll download it and check it out when I get home.. looks like a good example! Appreciate it! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfriedberg Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 CorelDRAW also does a pretty good job of this sort of thing. I would not buy a CD license just for this function, but as I've already got it, it's what I would do the simplification in. Actually, given the current statue of Affinity suite booleans and the just-added contour operator, I would probably do the vector graphic work in CD at this point in time. 276ccm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
276ccm Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Tried to simplify the nodes with Illustrator and Inkscape today.. For me illustrator made a quite good job but changed the design a tiny bit so would take some time to clean that up. With inkscape it cleaned up pretty well to but after the design was totally useless.. would take more time to clean up than trying to make a new.. so in my case, inkscape was really useless.. and it was my impression from many years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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276ccm Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Yes it just distorted the design too much.. as it is a quite complex design. Illustrator removed quite a lot of nodes too, but dint distort the design a lot, just a little bit. I tried both ways in Inkscape, but with the effect, it didnt really remove much nodes to keep the design usable. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
276ccm Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 Thanks for your reply! 🙂 Corel sounds interesting to try, but the thing is I do most of this kind of scrollwork on the ipad and AD there with the Apple Pencil, and I have never ever used an app where the workflow is that good as AD on the iPad 🙂 It´s really mindblowing.. so I dont really have much options. To do this kind of vector lines with all the shadowing etc would just take too much time on the desktop. I could test Corel to clean up after though, but I really want to try to find a solution without adding another program. I dont do laser at all, I´m actually a hand engraver, but I do a lot of comission designs for laser engravers. For some laser engravers which has a lot of experience and great machines the work usually go seamless, but for others it´s just too much hassle.. 🙂 If there is a demo version of Corel I could check out how it cleans up after, but if it is another expence I just have to find a way.. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
276ccm Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 It´s actually a "lot" easier to engrave real object by hand than trying to make the designs fit a laser engraver.. Here a couple of he last things I hand engraved 🙂 A customer Serif lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy05 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Marder said: Corel had trials available for as long as I remember but is probably way too expensive for curve optimization. Well, it is actually. You can get a licence for little money for some of the previous versions. In particular if you just want to reduce nodes, you wouldn't need any of the latest versions. CorelDraw does this job really well for ages now, since so many versions ago. Actually, this feature seems to be that well implemented so long ago, that there wasn't any need to improve it any further with the latest version(s). Quote »A designer's job is to improve the general quality of life. In fact, it's the only reason for our existence.«Paul Rand (1914-1996) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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