sorigrimm Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 The ui font and icon size of Affinity Photo are really too small. The fonts and icons are so small that it is too inconvenient to see the ui. Blender has the ability to adjust the ui font and icon size. By adjusting the resolution scale value, you can adjust the ui font and icon size to suit the user's screen resolution. Please refer to the attached image and reflect it on the affinity product. Schölu and Greatusernameorg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowday Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Sigh, yes. I don't know how this was not foreseen. I can tell a certain company one certain thing about the future: it is coming. Schölu 1 Quote "The user interface is supposed to work for me - I am not supposed to work for the user interface." Computer-, operating system- and software agnostic; I am a result oriented professional. Look for a fanboy somewhere else. “When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.” ― Confucius Not an Affinity user og forum user anymore. The software continued to disappoint and not deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, fde101 said: This should really be handled at the OS level and be kept consistent among the individual apps. Because the OP has Windows, it is set here: Mark Ingram, Schölu and fde101 2 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The sizes are only slightly smaller than the size of text in the menu bar, etc., so it seems to me that if this text is too small for you, then you should basically be at the point of complaining about all of the other apps on your system as well. This should really be handled globally at the OS level, not in the individual apps. Schölu and Pšenda 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxHeppa Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Pšenda said: Because the OP has Windows, it is set here: this mess things with some things. this should be in induvival apps becouse some gui works fine in 100% but not all programs. like Presonus Studio One and WIndows 10 pro works fine but sametime Affinity Photo/Publisher (i dont yet have have Designer) does not. programs sohuld give different size gui elements itself. at least this current one and one what is for example 150% bigger. Schölu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granddaddy Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 You might find helpful the discussion from December 2018 that describes Windows settings in Settings/Ease-of-Access/Display/Make-text-bigger slider that was introduced in Win 10 1809. It affects some but not all text elements in the APhoto user interface. As I wrote in March 2019: What I see in Windows 10 version 1809 using the Windows 10 Settings/Ease-of-Access/Display/Make-text-bigger slider is that text labels in the Studio Panels are NOT affected. They all are stuck with the Affinity Miniscule [sic] font (as I call it). But many other text elements in Affinity Photo can be enlarged using the Win10 slider that enlarges Windows system fonts. You will get larger fonts in Affinity Photo's Menu Bar, Toolbar, Context Toolbar, Tools Panel, and Status Bar. In addition, menu items in the dialog boxes or panels that control individual Adjustments (for instance Levels) are affected by the Windows text slider. The pop-up menus such as the list of Adjustments or Live Filters that appear when you click the icons at the bottom of the Layers Panel also respond to the Win10 system font slider. Also, the text Hints that pop up when you hover the mouse pointer over tool icons on the Toolbar and the Tools Panel are affected by the slider. I have my Win10 text slider set for 120%. If I set it to 200% and maximize the Affinity window, then the Status Bar text gets slightly clipped at the bottom. Quote Affinity Photo 2.4.2 (MSI) and 1.10.6; Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 (MSI) and 1.10.6. Windows 10 Home x64 version 22H2. Dell XPS 8940, 16 GB Ram, Intel Core i7-11700K @ 3.60 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 9:49 AM, sorigrimm said: The ui font and icon size of Affinity Photo are really too small. The fonts and icons are so small that it is too inconvenient to see the ui. Blender has the ability to adjust the ui font and icon size. By adjusting the resolution scale value, you can adjust the ui font and icon size to suit the user's screen resolution. Please refer to the attached image and reflect it on the affinity product. What is your Windows display scale set to? What resolution is your monitor? We adhere to the display scale that is set in Windows. If you choose 200%, everything will be twice as big, if you choose 300% everything will be three times as big, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 10:45 AM, MxHeppa said: this should be in induvival apps becouse some gui works fine in 100% but not all programs Agreed that some programs don't play nice with the setting. Those programs should be fixed. Schölu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxHeppa Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 9:36 AM, fde101 said: Agreed that some programs don't play nice with the setting. Those programs should be fixed. and this setting makes i feel some things what i dont want bigger theri guis are fine. becouse of this should part of program not whole operating system. i understand drawing many icons again is hard. Schölu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadriscus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 9:29 AM, Mark Ingram said: What is your Windows display scale set to? What resolution is your monitor? We adhere to the display scale that is set in Windows. If you choose 200%, everything will be twice as big, if you choose 300% everything will be three times as big, etc. Hello, that's the thing : I don't scale my Windows interface because it makes other programs render incorrectly, so I am also stuck with a super small AP GUI. This thing should be handled at the program level, because users have different needs in different programs, it's really that simple. Hopefully since the interface scaling tech is there already, you can provide your users with a way to override the system setting. Thank you, Hadrien Zox, Jowday and Schölu 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, Hadriscus said: Hello, that's the thing : I don't scale my Windows interface because it makes other programs render incorrectly, so I am also stuck with a super small AP GUI. This thing should be handled at the program level, because users have different needs in different programs, it's really that simple. Hopefully since the interface scaling tech is there already, you can provide your users with a way to override the system setting. Thank you, Hadrien Hi Hadrien, if it makes other programs render incorrectly, perhaps that's a bug report that you should raise with them? > This thing should be handled at the program level I disagree, I think there should be consistency across all applications on a user's system. Programs should "just work" without the user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application. Especially considering that the recommend display scale is automatically selected for you by Windows when you connect a new device. fde101, Schölu and Pšenda 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 That's right, scaling management must take place at the OS level. After all, it is not possible for me to set all the individual applications after connecting an external high-resolution monitor to a small-screen laptop, and then repeat it again after unconnect the monitor. Mark Ingram 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadriscus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said: Hi Hadrien, if it makes other programs render incorrectly, perhaps that's a bug report that you should raise with them? > This thing should be handled at the program level I disagree, I think there should be consistency across all applications on a user's system. Programs should "just work" without the user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application. Especially considering that the recommend display scale is automatically selected for you by Windows when you connect a new device. I agree that would be ideal, but "ideal" is the enemy of "good" : many programs simply don't take Windows' GUI scale into account, and Windows scales them forcefully into a double pixel size. Some others do take it into account, but imperfectly : texts are truncated, UI elements overlap one another, etc (GTK2 based programs namely have a lot of problems). And finally, I would like to be allowed to scale a particular program's GUI differently than I do another, because the work that happens there is different, and so are the needs, can you see what I mean ? Blender does it, Houdini does it, Krita does it, the few "desktop" programs that I use do it at least to some extent (Foobar, Notepad++, etc) In essence it's really a binary choice : either you make you entire userbase wait for most existing programs to correctly implement Windows' GUI scale (potentially years), or you provide a handy way to circumvent that so that people can work in the meantime (bold for emphasis). I also am an idealist, but sometimes we have to be pragmatic : several users have expressed the need for such an "GUI scale override" over the years -they're not throwing a fit, they have valid reasons. Ultimately stuff has to work -and when it doesn't, the end user does *not* care whether it's some application's fault or some other's. Please give me the choice to scale that GUI, Mark... I am not about to go nag a hundred contributors in fifteen different FOSS and proprietary projects to ask them to respect Windows' GUI scale parameter, hoping that everything will be fixed within the next decade. This is called a workaround, and it's filthy, but sometimes we have to get our hands and our pencils dirty. Thank you for your attention, Hadrien Greatusernameorg, Zox and Jowday 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 > Windows scales them forcefully into a double pixel size You can override this (or disable it completely) on a per-application basis by going to the Compatibility tab on the application shortcut's properties. More info is here - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/15078/windows-10-make-older-apps-or-programs-compatible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Hadriscus said: I don't scale my Windows interface because it makes other programs render incorrectly If for some reason (due to incorrectly functioning applications) you do not want to switch the display scale for the whole Windows, then you should switch the scale only for some applications. In the properties of the running application, you can set the display method in the compatibility section.https://www.windowscentral.com/how-change-high-dpi-settings-classic-apps-windows-10-april-2018-update Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadriscus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said: > Windows scales them forcefully into a double pixel size You can override this (or disable it completely) on a per-application basis by going to the Compatibility tab on the application shortcut's properties. More info is here - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/15078/windows-10-make-older-apps-or-programs-compatible Thanks for the tip ! however that sounds an awful lot like "user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application". All because AP does not let me scale its interface. It looks like ideology may be a hindrance here ? should we really be forced into reconfiguring our entire systems just because an editor makes the choice of not providing a simple solution for their users, based on the belief that "all should be consistent" ? Let's not be Apple, please... anyway I made my point in the previous post -I hope you guys will be able to hear it. Thank you for your attention, Hadrien Greatusernameorg, Jowday and Zox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hadriscus said: Thanks for the tip ! however that sounds an awful lot like "user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application". All because AP does not let me scale its interface. It looks like ideology may be a hindrance here ? should we really be forced into reconfiguring our entire systems just because an editor makes the choice of not providing a simple solution for their users, based on the belief that "all should be consistent" ? Let's not be Apple, please... anyway I made my point in the previous post -I hope you guys will be able to hear it. Thank you for your attention, Hadrien > however that sounds an awful lot like "user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application". Yes - I thought that's what you were asking for 😉 > should we really be forced into reconfiguring our entire systems No. You just accept the default, recommended scale that is provided for you, by the system. No configuring required - that's what we're aiming for here. A user should not be required to start our application, find the options, and then tweak the appearance to get it to a satisfactory level. It should just work. My default stance is: If Application X does not scale it's user interface, according to the OS provided system setting, that is a bug in Application X. It should not become the burden of other applications who _do_ scale their user interface correctly, to provide work arounds of the OS setting. I'm happy for the feedback and suggestion to be made, and be discussed 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadriscus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said: > however that sounds an awful lot like "user having to go in and configure some UI scale that is specific to each application". Yes - I thought that's what you were asking for 😉 Not at all, I am asking for a setting to override the system default DPI, that proves to be unwieldy in practice ! if the default does not work well, it's either 1.change one program or 2.change every program but one 4 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said: My default stance is: If Application X does not scale it's user interface, according to the OS provided system setting, that is a bug in Application X. It should not become the burden of other applications who _do_ scale their user interface correctly, to provide work arounds of the OS setting. I understand this so well, and this is frustrating because you could be doing something, but instead you choose to settle with "it's not my fault", which is and never will be a fitting answer for anyone. This reminds me of when Torvalds shut a developer down because they had made a similar decision : "the problem is on their end, let them fix it" (paraphrasing). But the kernel was shipping and there has to be something done about it, so they ifdef'd that particular fix on their side, because it had to work, right ? you may have heard of this story. The point being, when you interface with an OS/other programs and something is wrong that's obviously the other party's fault, fixing it on your end doesn't make it your fault -All that matters is that users are able work with your solution as swiftly as possible, and you are bound to be praised for acknowledging that, at least by me. This was particularly exerting to write out, English not being my language, so I'll leave it at that for the moment. I am glad you are staying to discuss this though, over your initial relunctant...ness (?). Anyway cheers ! Hadrien Greatusernameorg, Jowday and Zox 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ingram Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Hadriscus said: This was particularly exerting to write out, English not being my language, Your English is fantastic, I would never have guessed that from your posts! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadriscus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Mark Ingram said: Your English is fantastic, I would never have guessed that from your posts! 🙂 Oh thank you I really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zox Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 +1 better ui scalability.... ...In the meantime, to improve at least font readability (in all syste not only in AP/AD) on k4 monitor I personally use this https://www.wintools.info/index.php/advanced-system-font-changer as workaround and seems to work better than using the slider to make your text bigger or smaller in windows display settings. Just setting everything to 11pt. is fine for me! Just try.! .Hope it help Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamc13 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Interesting Discussion. I would like to ask if in Windows 10 the font size is changed then AP increases the font on screen. Why then doesn't the help screen increase in size? Surely this should work at the OS level and not the application level? See attached image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komatös Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Hello @Adamc13 The Help File is based on CSS-Styles. You can change the viewsize by holding down the cmd key and scrolling up/down with the mouse wheel. Quote AMD Ryzen 7 5700X | INTEL Arc A770 LE 16 GB | 32 GB DDR4 3200MHz | Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (22631.3296) AMD A10-9600P | dGPU R7 M340 (2 GB) | 8 GB DDR4 2133 MHz | Windows 10 Home 22H2 (1945.3803) Affinity Suite V 2.4 & Beta 2.(latest) Better translations with: https://www.deepl.com/translator Interested in a robust (selfhosted) PDF Solution? Have a look at Stirling PDF Life is too short to have meaningless discussions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamc13 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Thanks for that. In Windows it is the Ctrl key. It would be really nice if that had been explained somewhere in the documentation. I probably didn't find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz_H Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 its 2022:AI can create stunning images just from written text but Affinity is still driven by ideology instead of usability. No, not the User has to act - we may expect software to be smart. one of the rules of usability is: Don´t make me think. I posted several hints for usability improvements during the recent years(?) - they did not even care. Affinity-Users are usually not typical professionals - those are tied to Adobe (for several good reasons). Affinity needs to accept: their audience are the amateurs and semi-pro - Users. Schölu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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