If a text frame and picture frame have the same 1.5 pt border size, why does the picture frame appear larger?

[AntiqueFlaneur]

In the pic below you can see a picture frame and a text frame, both with a 1.5 pt border. Why does the picture frame's border appear to be significantly thicker?

[thomaso]

One reason could be that the image has a border applied, too. If it is not cropped by the picture frame (as it appears from both layer thumbnails) then its border can be visible on all 4 edges.

If you can upload an .afpub with the related objects (picture frame + image + text frame) it will be easier to inspect and less guessing whats going on and which value isn't correct or modified by what cause.

[AntiqueFlaneur]

45 minutes ago, thomaso said:

One reason could be that the image has a border applied, too. If it is not cropped by the picture frame (as it appears from both layer thumbnails) then its border can be visible on all 4 edges.

If you can upload an .afpub with the related objects (picture frame + image + text frame) it will be easier to inspect and less guessing whats going on and which value isn't correct or modified by what cause.

I've uploaded the .afpub file with images embedded. Hopefully that will work. 

You can see the thicker border on Figs 1 and 3, which have images embedeed in picture frames. The other images with normal sized frames simply have the frames on top of the pics, but not embedded. However, I have found that when I try to lay out some of the pictures with the images merely on top and not embedded, strange image artifacts crop up. Let me know what you think. 

FrameInconsistency.afpub

[thomaso]

It's caused by two settings, while the thicker stroke is correct (1.5 pt) and the thinner is the rather "unexpected" one, for two reasons:

1. The image on top of a picture frame (not nested inside) is placed exactly on the picture frame. This has the stroke aligned to the center, so the image covers the inner half of the picture frame's stroke. – Suggestion: a.) move the image layer on the text "(Picture Frame)" to get it nested and not cover the border. b.) Alternative: move the picture frame layer above the image layer.

2. The text frames have their stroke order set to "behind". Since they have a fill, too, the fill covers the half of the stroke.
– Suggestion: change the stroke order to "Front".

3. If you prefer the currently thinner stroke appearance you should do the corrections 1. + 2. + reduce all stroke width values.

[Old Bruce]

You have the stroke for the Caption and the Picture set to be centred try setting them to be on the inside.

[AntiqueFlaneur]

14 hours ago, thomaso said:

It's caused by two settings, while the thicker stroke is correct (1.5 pt) and the thinner is the rather "unexpected" one, for two reasons:

1. The image on top of a picture frame (not nested inside) is placed exactly on the picture frame. This has the stroke aligned to the center, so the image covers the inner half of the picture frame's stroke. – Suggestion: a.) move the image layer on the text "(Picture Frame)" to get it nested and not cover the border. b.) Alternative: move the picture frame layer above the image layer.

2. The text frames have their stroke order set to "behind". Since they have a fill, too, the fill covers the half of the stroke.
– Suggestion: change the stroke order to "Front".

3. If you prefer the currently thinner stroke appearance you should do the corrections 1. + 2. + reduce all stroke width values.

That was super helpful. Thanks!