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Hi,

I have problems with TOC which is located on pages 8, 9 and 10 in Heroj (Publisher).afpub:

  1. Only text whicih is pointed with red arrows must be redish, the rest must be black.
  2. Decorations which are pointed with green arrows are ghousts. They must not exist because they are not set in text styles or in any other way.
  3. If you click on any text in TOC, you will see that appropriate paragraph style is selectred (which is OK), but character styles do not follow them. All the time the same character style is selected regardless to which text is selected.

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32 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

I have problems with TOC which is located on pages 8, 9 and 10

Hello Petar,

I would start with getting rid of all the overrides in your styles throughout the document.

I mentioned that before in my earlier post about this project.

If I go to the Preflight Panel and refresh the Table of Contents (Table of Contents is Out of Date) then your TOC styles revert to something else.

Once that is sorted out it will be much easier for you to apply the styles you want.

 

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7 minutes ago, Seneca said:

Hello Petar,

I would start with getting rid of all the overrides in your styles throughout the document.

I mentioned that before in my earlier post about this project.

If I go to the Preflight Panel and refresh the Table of Contents (Table of Contents is Out of Date) then your TOC styles revert to something else.

Once that is sorted out it will be much easier for you to apply the styles you want.

 

I updated my TOC and now all text is in Capitals, ghost decorations are still here, in preflight panel there is no info about problems with TOC. Would you be so kind and point the overrides you find, to me?

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6 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

I updated my TOC and now all text is in Capitals, ghost decorations are still here, in preflight panel there is no info about problems with TOC.

Hello Petar,

This is what I get when I open the document you attached in your initial post.

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Your first "ghost" line is a text decoration that you have applied manually using the Paragraph panel. If you place the cursor in the text for the last line of the first TOC frame, you will see in the Paragraph panel that the style is TOC 1: 55 Naslov + and the + indicates that you've overridden the standard style definition.

If you then look further at the Paragraph panel, you'll see:

image.png.6b168ef7faea02f9ea8cea7858d92a56.png

If you disable that decoration, your "ghost" line disappears.

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11 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Your first "ghost" line is a text decoration that you have applied manually using the Paragraph panel. If you place the cursor in the text for the last line of the first TOC frame, you will see in the Paragraph panel that the style is TOC 1: 55 Naslov + and the + indicates that you've overridden the standard style definition.

If you then look further at the Paragraph panel, you'll see:

image.png.6b168ef7faea02f9ea8cea7858d92a56.png

If you disable that decoration, your "ghost" line disappears.

Thanks Walt,

but I didn't put any manual decorations (through Paragraph panel) in TOC. Nevertheless, I remove them and the decorations from the red text (with assigned paragraph style) dissapiared, also. I recreated them again in the style, but new ghost decorations appear, as you can see.

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43 minutes ago, Seneca said:

Hello Petar,

I would start with getting rid of all the overrides in your styles throughout the document.

I mentioned that before in my earlier post about this project.

If I go to the Preflight Panel and refresh the Table of Contents (Table of Contents is Out of Date) then your TOC styles revert to something else.

Once that is sorted out it will be much easier for you to apply the styles you want.

 

How those overrides appear at all? I have never such problems with Quark or InDesign since I started using them years ago. What is so new that Affinity introduced and causing me such problems?

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40 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

I recreated them again in the style, but new ghost decorations appear, as you can see

If you give us the document with those changes, perhaps we can figure out what is happening.

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24 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Thanks.

That is also not a ghost. It is coming from the next-to-last line in that TOC ("Бидете верни на себеси") which also has a manual override. The style shows up as:
image.png.4303d50d5ecd474f3c3291d64e9dbe18.png

where again the + indicates that you've applied a manual override to the style TOC 1:55 Megjunaslov, and you can see that you've added a decoration. If you disable that decoration, the "ghost" should go away.

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What Walt said, and oddly I found that I could not type in lower case, may be because I don't have access to the original fonts but very weird.

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16 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

What Walt said, and oddly I found that I could not type in lower case, may be because I don't have access to the original fonts but very weird.

You can replace them with the same font that doesn't have "MK" prefix. I changed some font to accept maeconian italic letters insted of Bulgarian/Russian ones.

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21 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

That is also not a ghost. It is coming from the next-to-last line in that TOC ("Бидете верни на себеси") which also has a manual override.

I didn't add any manual decorations. I don't know how they apper at all.

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OK, let's say that I forgot to change that redish color to black and left stroke to 0,5 pt. But, why when I reset the TOC it only appers to only a few lines with that style and to to all of them?

Second, when I click on "reset formating" on the top of the style list, it only resets one line, not all lines formated with that style.

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13 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

But, why when I reset the TOC it only appers to only a few lines with that style and to to all of them?

Because you specified "Combine identical". At that point, a top decoration will appear only above the first consecutive paragraph with that style, and a bottom decoration will appear only below the last consecutive paragraph with that style.

14 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Second, when I click on "reset formating" on the top of the style list, it only resets one line, not all lines formated with that style.

That button would affect only the currently selected paragraph, so its action would depend on exactly what you have selected when you press it.

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6 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Because you specified "Combine identical".

Yes, this is checked, but decorations are not enabled.

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15 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

Yes, this is checked, but decorations are not enabled.

Yes, the bottom decoration is enabled as shown in my screenshot of the Paragraph panel. Here it is again, with the enabled decoration highlighted:

image.png.32938f06ad9cec359bfdc0ba3f11ae80.png

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13 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes, the bottom decoration is enabled as shown in my screenshot of the Paragraph panel. Here it is again, with the enabled decoration highlighted

But this is in the paragraph panel. My TOC is completely done with styles and no manual interventions. It is unchecked in the styles where it should not appear. I don't know why to deal with manual changes after all. Maybe there is some conflict between "text styles", "paragraph" and "character" settings or maybe between "text styles" and "TOC text styles"?

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30 minutes ago, Petar Petrenko said:

But this is in the paragraph panel. My TOC is completely done with styles and no manual interventions. It is unchecked in the styles where it should not appear. I don't know why to deal with manual changes after all. Maybe there is some conflict between "text styles", "paragraph" and "character" settings or maybe between "text styles" and "TOC text styles"?

As far as I know, you would not have the Text Styles showing as being overridden (the + sign) if you had not made those changes somehow. It seems quite unlikely that Publisher would create the decoration settings shown in the Paragraph panel on its own.

I would assume that you made those changes, possibly while experimenting, and didn't realize that they were still in effect. Or that you did something in the paragraph panel at some point that carried over. There are many possibilities, but if you intend to use only Text Styles with no local overrides, then you should watch out for the + showing up and when you see it, fix it.

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