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On 5/27/2020 at 11:13 PM, anon2 said:

Tony, your words in response to some people's posts (including the last one by me) are formatted as if they are quotations of things that the person has written. Please use the message preview function to help you learn to post correctly.

Ah, managed to get rid of the repetition of your quote-line!

But no option to preview my post.  I'm quite familiar with doing this - I invariably check before posting any but the briefest note.  But here it appears not to be offered!

Best, T.

P.S. it also seems to imply that my post is not getting posted, but perhaps it is getting posted multiple times?  Anyway it is late here in France, and I've to be up early!

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48 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

But no option to preview my post.

At the top of the reply editor (where on the left the icons for bold, italic, etc. are located) on the extreme right should be an icon that looks like a dog-eared page with a magnifying glass over it. Click on that to preview your post.

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20 hours ago, R C-R said:

At the top of the reply editor (where on the left the icons for bold, italic, etc. are located) on the extreme right should be an icon that looks like a dog-eared page with a magnifying glass over it. Click on that to preview your post.

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Now I have nowhere to put text I *write* as opposed to quoting... And I have to type 'Shift-Return' to go down a line. And oh gosh, yes!  But how on earth is a beginner to know this.  The two other forums I use which offer the facility have the legend 'Preview Post' alongside 'Submit Reply'.  There is plenty of space for this, why would some one think it was a good idea to make it unobvious, and use a tiny icon most people will never have seen before? And while I'm complaining, why the non-English spell-checker?  Run out of space again!  But thanks!  Best, T.

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1 hour ago, Tony Jackson said:

And it turns out I can't edit the post when I preview it!  (I wanted to put in the missing 'e' on the end of 'some'!)

That's kind of the point Tony, it’s just a preview, an example of how it will look, the preview window isn't for editing, just to show you how it will look.

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2 hours ago, Tony Jackson said:

And oh gosh, yes!  But how on earth is a beginner to know this.  The two other forums I use which offer the facility have the legend 'Preview Post' alongside 'Submit Reply'.  There is plenty of space for this, why would some one think it was a good idea to make it unobvious, and use a tiny icon most people will never have seen before?

Like most other companies that host interactive product discussions forums, Serif does not make the software that powers this one. Unless something has changed recently, the software Serif uses is Invision Community, made by Invision Power Services, Inc. It is the same software used by Shutterstock, NBC, Lego, & many other companies.

There are several reasons for doing this, among them that the software automatically formats posts for different devices like desktops computers, tablets, & smartphones. This is why if you click on the preview icon you have a choice of previewing how your post will look on any of those devices.

As for how you would know what the icon does, like every other one in the reply toolbar, on a desktop computer, if you hover your pointer over any of them, a tooltip pops up, naming each of them.

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6 hours ago, firstdefence said:

That's kind of the point Tony, it’s just a preview, an example of how it will look, the preview window isn't for editing, just to show you how it will look.

But if you can't edit it (there was nowhere to access the previewed text other than the preview) what was the point?  On other forums the preview appears, but the working version is beneath.

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16 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

But if you can't edit it (there was nowhere to access the previewed text other than the preview) what was the point?

To return to edit mode, click on the large X inside the black circle at the top right of the preview. There is also a popup for that if you hover the mouse pointer over it:

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These popups are called "tooltips." They are commonly used on web pages & in applications to reduce the clutter that otherwise would result if every icon or button included an always visible text description.

You may have noticed that many items in Affinity Photo also have tooltips, but you may not have noticed that you can vary the delay before they appear in Preferences > User Interface by moving the Tooltip Delay slider.  While you are learning to use the software, it may be helpful to move the slider almost all the way to the left, so that the tooltips appear almost immediately, & then move it back toward the right after you become more familiar with the app.

Also note that the Affinity apps include a Status Bar at the bottom of the workspace window. This is an always present source of info about tool usage (particularly for how the modifier keys can be used with certain tools), & it updates depending on what the mouse pointer is over or what is currently selected.

These two items, combined with the built-in & online help & the official & third party video tutorials you can find on the web, can make it a lot easier to learn how to use Photo, but you need to take the time to look for & use them for that to happen. 

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1 hour ago, R C-R said:

To return to edit mode, click on the large X inside the black circle at the top right of the preview. There is also a popup for that if you hover the mouse pointer over it:

 

Yes, that was one of the things I was writing about – I had at last spotted the 'X'!

Still haven't found out how to insert text clearly within a quote...

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These popups are called "tooltips." They are commonly used on web pages & in applications to reduce the clutter that otherwise would result if every icon or button included an always visible text description.

Yes, that was impatience on my part.  Sorry!

(And suddenly I'm able to insert sensibly!  What did I do?)

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You may have noticed that many items in Affinity Photo also have tooltips, but you may not have noticed that you can vary the delay before they appear in Preferences > User Interface by moving the Tooltip Delay slider.  While you are learning to use the software, it may be helpful to move the slider almost all the way to the left, so that the tooltips appear almost immediately, & then move it back toward the right after you become more familiar with the app.

That is a very good and kind suggestion.  I shall do just that!

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Also note that the Affinity apps include a Status Bar at the bottom of the workspace window. This is an always present source of info about tool usage (particularly for how the modifier keys can be used with certain tools), & it updates depending on what the mouse pointer is over or what is currently selected.

Yes, but I've mostly had no luck with following it as yet (except moving stuff in the marquee).  Still haven't found a way to get my colours back, other than hunting down every occurrence by hand.  I did it before by accident, but now I can't do it on purpose.

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These two items, combined with the built-in & online help & the official & third party video tutorials you can find on the web, can make it a lot easier to learn how to use Photo, but you need to take the time to look for & use them for that to happen. 

But with only one life, and a good deal of that used up already, I presume to use experience to inform experiment, particularly when doing something simple like a line-drawn diagram  My latest stumble is that I can copy stuff, but Photo, not me, chooses where it goes when I paste it – usually overlapping some other part of the diagram, so I can't lassoo it and place it somewhere useful.  Help will tell me how to paste (I knew that), but not how to choose where the pasted object goes.

Inch by inch, with your help!

Best regards, Tony.

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5 hours ago, Tony Jackson said:

My latest stumble is that I can copy stuff, but Photo, not me, chooses where it goes when I paste it – usually overlapping some other part of the diagram, so I can't lassoo it and place it somewhere useful.

You determine where to paste it, but the results depend on what you are copying from & what & where you are pasting that to.

You really need to take some time to learn the basics, including the different types of objects you can work with, the layer structure of your document & how that affects what you see, the naming conventions used throughout the app, & so on. Doing that will save you a lot of time & frustration in the long run.

To this end, I strongly recommend that you browse through at least the first several sections of the built-in or online help & watch at least the basic video tutorials.

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9 hours ago, R C-R said:

You determine where to paste it, but the results depend on what you are copying from & what & where you are pasting that to.

I wish!  I choose what to copy, and it copies it.  But I am prevented, mysteriously, from deciding where it is copied *to*, and wherever that happens to be, I'm prevented from moving it, seemingly.  The help system?  It tells me where to find the Paste command, but nothing to do with who I should ask permission of to paste it where I want it.  Approaching 40 years of using only Macintoshes, you may imagine that being told where to find the command did not to add much to the sum of my knowledge...

9 hours ago, R C-R said:

You really need to take some time to learn the basics, including the different types of objects you can work with, the layer structure of your document & how that affects what you see, the naming conventions used throughout the app, & so on. Doing that will save you a lot of time & frustration in the long run.

To this end, I strongly recommend that you browse through at least the first several sections of the built-in or online help & watch at least the basic video tutorials.

I watched some them again this morning.  No information of any use to me.  I want to select all the occurrences of a colour, which I once did by accident, but nothing as simple as that got a mention.  I've now got the Flood Fill tool working on all occurences of a colour, (it is Photo's choice of a dull green, replacing, unbidden, my original choice of a bright green) but nothing I do in the colour area prevents it from simply replacing all the green with mud-brown.  I'd like to lose the tablecloth on which my disgram has been placed, but while some of the tutorials had tablecloth sections, none said what they were, what they were for, or how to get rid of them.

I looked in vain for some kind of tutorial for using this unfamiliar forum software.  I think I'm getting better at it, but a long way short of good!  I've never needed to learn a forum application before, they were just intuitive.

I begin to feel about Photo that its arcane ways are designed to prevent people who didn't study graphic design at university or teach themselves Photoshop from invading the space of those who did!  A bit like medical and legal worlds, where jargon or latin words are used to keep 'ordinary' people out.  I had a career in quite a technical field, but I was always careful to minimise the use of jargon, as I sought input from the non-specialists to whom my work would eventually go.

I'll keep at it for a bit...

Regards ,Tony

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2 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

I wish!  I choose what to copy, and it copies it.  But I am prevented, mysteriously, from deciding where it is copied *to*, and wherever that happens to be, I'm prevented from moving it, seemingly. 

First, please tell us the source you are copying from & how you are pasting it into your document. Once pasted, if the Move Tool is active you should be able to move the item wherever you want, as long as it is selected.

Regarding jargon, to avoid confusion is is best to learn what the various tools, functions, & actions are called in the app of interest. Not only does this make it easier to find info about how to use them, it makes it easier for others to understand what you are talking about, for example if you literally mean paste vs. place or drag & drop. If you include words like "diagram" (which generally would refer to a collection of shapes & curves like you could make with vector tools) then it is hard to tell if you are using other terms literally or figuratively.

13 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

I've now got the Flood Fill tool working on all occurences of a colour, (it is Photo's choice of a dull green, replacing, unbidden, my original choice of a bright green) but nothing I do in the colour area prevents it from simply replacing all the green with mud-brown. 

The Flood Fill Tool simply selects pixels by color within the tolerance range specified, determined by where you click on the document. It does not replace anything with a different color.

A couple of other tips:

A picture is worth a thousand words, so screenshots can make what you are talking about much clearer. Even better is to attach a native format Affinity file to posts so others can download & open it to better see how the document is organized & what it contains.

The Layers panel shows the type of each layer in the document (pixel, adjustment, mask, image, curve, shape, etc.) & its relationship to any other layers in it (like child-parent relationships, what might be masked, & so on). Referring to it & understanding what it shows is key to resolving many issues. If you can't do that on your own, attaching a screenshot of the Layers panel to a post often lets others immediately see what's wrong.

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But ...

I don't now how all my blue lines got the ants around them earlier!  Presumably I have to repeat the trick to start learning how to change them?

And nothing so far gets anything but black pixels out of the pixel tool.

And my white background is dressed like a tablecloth – is this unavoidable?

Best regards, Tony.   

4 hours ago, firstdefence said:

You can control the colour of coloured pixels; such as red, blue, green, yellow and Black but not white other than for it’s shade, using adjustment filters such as HSL and the recolour filter. Or you can simply overwrite the pixels in that area using the colour you want and redrawing and replacing the pixels.

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Not sure why you think you need a marquee to edit pixels, that is not a requirement unless marquee means something different to you than us?

The march ants effect denotes the border of a selection using the selection tool or the marquee tool, I think you need to make a video to give us a demo of what you do?

At what scale are these pixel drawings, for example, are lines 1px or 100px ?

Hi, a few things.  The tablecloth is gone – I took courage in both hands and clicked (somewhat counter-intuitively) on Transparent in the Document menu.  So now that it is no longer transparent I can no longer see the tablecloth!

The marquee to edit pxels: I'm starting from a scan of an old document.  Part of the process is to tidy up the icons in the diagram.  If, for example, I've a bulge in what ought to be a smooth border I can draw a marquee around them and move them twoards the border.  It doesn't work too well in Photo because I can't change the shape of the marquee, so when the first part of the bump is back where it belongs I have to make a fresh marquee to carry on with the next bit etc until the job is done.  Scanned lines always have some alignment error, and dragging a marquee-worth of pixels is part of my process for straightening them (and sometimes things I want to keep which the line passes through.  When I get better at it I hope that Photo will be cleverer than I am at straightening images!

The marching ants have stopped appearing when I click into a colour area with the Flood Fill Tool.  The help system etc tells me that it will replace the colour I've clicked on with the colour I've selected in the colour panel on the right.  So I selected a bright green.  And it came out brown again.  I've done it 20 or thirty times, I guess. always with the same effect.  I tried selecting red, for example.  and got brown again.  Along the bottom of the window it says "Click to Flood Fill" but after fiddling a bit more widely in the colour panel I find that clicking on the dull green gets all the colours messed up, not just the green.

The copy and paste – the thing I copied was a recurring element of the diagram which I tidied up and put near the edge of the document.  Then when I find one that got away I go and copy the cleaned one and paste it over occurrences of the same shape elsewhere in the original.  In my previous editing program, Graphic Converter, I seldom got it exactly in position, but I could always nudge it around with cursor keys or mouse.

With an old French house to restore to habitablity I don't have time to learn how to do a video of this!  I'm happy to put up a copy of it if it will help any one grasp what I'm trying to do.  It is of course incomplete, the colours are wrong etc.

And now I learn that I can't upload the file because it is more than 512 MB.  Not so surprising, except that on my drive it claims to be 8.1 MB.  I'll try again using 'choose files' rather than dragging it:  Oops!  There are now two of it!  And I can't delete either of them.  Plus the name of the file keeps getting tacked onto the end of the text...  Ah, once the first file finished uploading I was allowed to delete it, so another 15 mins or so and it should be there.  And until then I'm unable to see a preview, so can''t proof-read.  Meanwhile I need to eat!

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1 hour ago, Tony Jackson said:

Along the bottom of the window it says "Click to Flood Fill" but after fiddling a bit more widely in the colour panel I find that clicking on the dull green gets all the colours messed up, not just the green.

There are a few complications in your attached document.

There is a selected Recolour Adjustment; the adjustment's built-in mask is empty except for a very small opaque region over an empty area of the document and so the adjustment initially has no effect on the document.

There is also an active Pixel Selection which can affect the result of the Flood Fill tool.

When you do a Flood Fill while the adjustment is selected, the built-in mask of the adjustment is the target for filling and the mask (except for that aforementioned small region) becomes semi-opaque according to the brightness of the fill colour and the strength of the Pixel Selection, and so the adjustment then affects all the colours of the document below it, which is confusing you.

Here is a solution...

After opening the document that you attached, first press cmd-d to deselect the useless Pixel Selection and then delete the useless Recolour Adjustment.

Now select the Pixel layer in Layers panel then use Flood Fill to change colours that you click on. Remember to disable the Contiguous option in the Context Toolbar if you want flood filling to affect the clicked-on colour everywhere in the Pixel layer.

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6 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

I don't now how all my blue lines got the ants around them earlier!  Presumably I have to repeat the trick to start learning how to change them?

As downloaded, your "Wiring+1ap" file has a "marching ants" selection that encompasses the entire size of the document (9941 px wide by 6678 px high). I do not know how you created that selection but as mentioned earlier to get rid if it choose "Deselect" from the AP Select menu or use the keyboard shortcut for that.

12 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

And nothing so far gets anything but black pixels out of the pixel tool.

Use the Color or Swatches panel to set the color the Pixel Tool draws with.

14 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

And my white background is dressed like a tablecloth – is this unavoidable?

If you mean the grey & white checkerboard pattern, that is the standard way used by many apps (including Graphic Converter!) to indicate transparency, for example to indicate a transparent background. The Document menu has a "Transparent Background" (not simply "Transparent") item, which if ticked uses the checkerboard pattern to indicate where nothing in the document is 100% opaque. Note that this pattern is not part of the document itself -- it won't show up if you print it or (for example) export it to a filetype like PNG that supports transparency. Also note that the size of the checkerboard does not change as you zoom in & out in the document, a further indication that it is just an indicator of what otherwise would be impossible to see.

1 hour ago, Tony Jackson said:

The marching ants have stopped appearing when I click into a colour area with the Flood Fill Tool.  The help system etc tells me that it will replace the colour I've clicked on with the colour I've selected in the colour panel on the right.

As mentioned above, the entire document is already enclosed in a marching ants selection so you cannot add any more 'ants' to it than that. Deselect that selection & start again if you want to enclose smaller area(s) than that. Nowhere that I can find in the help system does it say that the Flood Fill Tool does anything other than create selections -- to replace a selected pixel area's color you must use a brush, an adjustment layer, filter, etc. to do that.

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6 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Nowhere that I can find in the help system does it say that the Flood Fill Tool does anything other than create selections -- to replace a selected pixel area's color you must use a brush, an adjustment layer, filter, etc. to do that.

The Flood Fill Tool changes the values of pixels; it does not select pixels.

From the Help:

Flood Fill Tool

The Flood Fill Tool allows you to fill in areas of your page, selection, or object with a single click.

The Flood Fill Tool works by replacing the colour of pixels on the current layer with the Fill colour set on the Colour panel. The pixels affected are determined by the following:

  • The colour of the pixel under the tool when you click on your page.
  • Whether the pixels are within the same selection area.
  • The pixels are directly connected to the clicked pixel or any others that are affected.
  • The tool's Tolerance and Blend Mode settings (see below).

Settings

The following settings can be adjusted from the context toolbar:

  • Tolerance—sets the range of pixels affected (filled) when a pixel is clicked. For lower tolerance settings, pixels must be very close in value to the clicked pixel. For higher tolerance settings, pixel colour can vary widely from the clicked pixel.
  • Contiguous—if enabled, the flood will only be applied to affected pixels that are in the same area of the image. If disabled, the flood will be applied to all the pixels that match the tolerance setting regardless of where they are in the image.
  • Blend mode—determines how the Fill colour and pixels in the filled area are combined, like when blending the contents of two or more layers. When set to Normal, the Fill colour simply replaces pixel colours in the filled area.
  • Source—choose whether the tool determines the area to be filled by inspecting pixels in the current layer, the current layer and all those below it, or only layers beneath the current one.
 

 

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Just now, anon2 said:

The Flood Fill Tool changes the values of pixels; it does not select pixels.

Doh! I saw "Flood Fill Tool" but read it as "Flood Select Tool." :$

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38 minutes ago, anon2 said:

 

Hi Anon, thanks for this!

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There is a selected Recolour Adjustment;

That is a leftover from my efforts to get back my green...

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the adjustment's built-in mask

Obviously the word 'mask' means something in particular.  Nothing offered by the help system seemed to make any sense in this context?

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is empty except for a very small opaque region over an empty area of the document and so the adjustment initially has no effect on the document.

I believe you but don't understand you!  The only small anomalous areas I can think of are where in GC I used white as a colour to get rid of something (can't remember what or why).  Could this be relevant?

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There is also an active Pixel Selection which can affect the result of the Flood Fill tool.

Apparently I had the entire documet 'selected' – but I didn't see the ants as I was working on a small patch near the middle, so I didn't know.

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When you do a Flood Fill while the adjustment is selected,

What adjustment?

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the built-in mask of the adjustment is the target for filling and the mask (except for that aforementioned small region) becomes semi-opaque according to the brightness of the fill colour and the strength of the Pixel Selection, and so the adjustment then affects all the colours of the document below it, which is confusing you.

Here is a solution...

After opening the document that you attached, first press cmd-d to deselect the useless Pixel Selection and then delete the useless Recolour Adjustment.

Done.  Should I un-click it in the Layers panel?

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Now select the Pixel layer in Layers panel then use Flood Fill to change colours that you click on. Remember to disable the Contiguous option in the Context Toolbar if you want flood filling to affect the clicked-on colour everywhere in the Pixel layer.

Yes, the Contiguous option is not checked.  So now I click on a part of one of my green lines... and nothing changes, as far as I can see.  No ants, no colour change..?

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9 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

Apparently I had the entire documet 'selected' – but I didn't see the ants as I was working on a small patch near the middle, so I didn't know.

Not quite. There's a small region that's only partially selected, and which happens to be where the Recolour Adjustment's mask is opaque. Never mind, just deselect and forget about it.

9 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

What adjustment?

The only one that I talked about - the only one that's in the document - the Recolour Adjustment!

9 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

Should I un-click it in the Layers panel?

I have no idea what "un-click" means. Anyway, the adjustment needs to be selected (highlighted in Layers panel), of course, so that you can then delete it.

I'm backing out of this thread before I lose the last vestige of sanity. Good luck.

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27 minutes ago, Tony Jackson said:

I believe you but don't understand you!  The only small anomalous areas I can think of are where in GC I used white as a colour to get rid of something (can't remember what or why).  Could this be relevant?

Not particularly relevant here but regarding the 'tablecloth' pattern try opening this "Gumball dispenser.png" file in Graphic Converter.

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Note that because it is a png that includes alpha transparency, in GC you should see the same checkerboard pattern around it that you would in AP if the Document > Transparent Background menu item was enabled, like this:

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1.92.236 & Affinity Designer 1.9.2 (showing 1.9.9) for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 14.4 (18D52)

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