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I am a Quark and InDesign user and I think basing your text manipulation on MS Word is a HUUUUGE mistake. It's extremely unprofessional. I'm don't think I'm going to continue with publisher. Photo and Designer are great apps but I think this one is a complete failure . . . sorry. I'm going to purchase another computer so I can continue to use InDesign from CS6 . . .

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I'm not sure what you mean about "basing text manipulation on MS Word", @kanihoncho. Can you explain that a bit more?

There is no need to make use of MS Word with Publisher.


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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure what you mean about "basing text manipulation on MS Word", @kanihoncho. Can you explain that a bit more?

+1.

I only use Words for retrieving client's texts, used QXP and now ID, and I'm not understanding what you mean.

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Or maybe the fact that importing a Word file brings along its style tags. That is usually a nuisance – basic text import should discard original styles and keep only local formatting. In very controlled workflows mapping Word styles to Publisher styles may be useful, but keeping imported Word styles as they are: never.

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7 hours ago, Medical Officer Bones said:

The OP might be pointing at the lack of a built-in text/article editor, and the reliance of Publisher on external tools for text editing.

They might, but nothing requires that one use MS Word. One could use any kind of editor one wants. One can even edit in Publisher without using external tools.

But we really need more information from the OP about what they meant, rather than having to guess.

 


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To echo what the others have stated, we just don't understand the original post. Publisher is not based on MS Word, and it does not rely on it.

@kanihoncho Could you clarify what you mean? You may indeed have some valid feedback that could lead to an improvement, but for the moment, we are just not understanding what the feedback is.

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Hi Cranky. Don't worry about the thread mixup. I just want to welcome you to the forum.

I've got to admit, with the name you chose, I really can't wait to see what you bring to the community. Welcome aboard!

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3 minutes ago, Cranky Old Huckster said:

Thank you. It will be more than crankiness! 😉

 

Hangry?

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15 hours ago, Fixx said:

Or maybe the fact that importing a Word file brings along its style tags. That is usually a nuisance – basic text import should discard original styles and keep only local formatting. In very controlled workflows mapping Word styles to Publisher styles may be useful, but keeping imported Word styles as they are: never.

I find importing styles useful, to preserve most of the original text. An easy workaround to prevent this to happen, is to open the original text into a text editor that can save in plain text format. Then, it will be easy to import text with no styles applied.

Paolo

 

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A properly tagged Word file such as those used in academic or scientific publishing can be seamlessly imported to an InDesign file where text styles have been previously set. The styles are matched on import. That’s a significant time saver in tight production workflows. 
 

I haven’t tried that with Publisher (I just started with the app) yet. If it can be done, it would be a plus. 

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6 hours ago, PaoloT said:

I find importing styles useful, to preserve most of the original text. An easy workaround to prevent this to happen, is to open the original text into a text editor that can save in plain text format. Then, it will be easy to import text with no styles applied.

But you lose local formatting that way. Not good.

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9 hours ago, Fixx said:

But you lose local formatting that way.

This is exactly what some users want to happen, so it is a valid approach for them.

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8 hours ago, fde101 said:

This is exactly what some users want to happen, so it is a valid approach for them.

That is why the ID import options enable users to select either way - keep local formatting, or ignore it.

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Indesign does nothing with text until you establish a style. I've gone into styles and they seem very similar to the way word is setup. I think that spacing before and after paragraphs already built in is an MS Word feature.  Another issue with Adobe is that the same function has to be achieved different ways in two programs. Tabs in Designer are pretty much useless when creating graphs and charts. Why can't they bring the tab function from Publisher into Designer so we don't have to learn another way to do the same? I have been using these programs a lot lately and I'm starting to not like them. I have a lot of little features that just suddenly refuse to work until I restart the programs. Perhaps I should start maintaining a list . . . these are never repeatable and happen sporadically. Another issue is leading is frequently the same size as the chosen font. 12 pt type should be 12/14 or 12/15 by default. Same for all other font sizes; the type size + 3 points is standard leading for most programs. These apps are not growing up fast enough. I realize they are only $50 but I would pay more for all the exciting initial debut features these apps have and the adoption of the myriad of recommendations people have made. Sorry about the rant but these apps are starting to disappoint me the more I use them. And I don't really want to go back to Adobe

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On 5/18/2020 at 6:14 PM, kanihoncho said:

this one is a complete failure

this is the reason for the Mac App of the Year 2019  ;-)

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1 hour ago, kanihoncho said:

Another issue is leading is frequently the same size as the chosen font. 12 pt type should be 12/14 or 12/15 by default. Same for all other font sizes; the type size + 3 points is standard leading for most programs.

Font size plus 3 would be far too large a leading, in my opinion.

In any case, the Affinity applications use the leading specified by the font designer, who should be the expert in what looks best for their font.


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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Affinity applications use the leading specified by the font designer

I think you meant kerning.

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10 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

looks best

… is not what is best

10 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Font size plus 3 would be far too large a leading, in my opinion.

Example: If you use Zapfino, 12/12 or 12/15 is far to small leading.

 

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8 hours ago, Seneca said:

I think you meant kerning.

No, I meant leading, but default kerning is another font metric that Affinity picks up from the font design.

If you choose a specific font size, and then observe the leading while you change the selected font, you will see that the default paragraph leading changes based on the font you have selected.


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7 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

No, I meant leading, but default kerning is another font metric that Affinity picks up from the font design.

I never heard of any font designer concerned about the leading.

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2 hours ago, Seneca said:

I never heard of any font designer concerned about the leading.

Can't say I have either but there is a difference in the leading when Default is chosen for leading. I chose Allan and Bell as fonts and for 11pt type I got 11pts and 13.4 pts when using Default.


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