bad_nerd Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) I would love to see a "List View" option at some point in the future so I can more easily select a new document size. For me, the update to the New Document window has made it more difficult to use. There are two primary issues I've had when using it: Identical icons in a grid layout make it hard to scan and compare the different options Comparing and scanning data organized in a left-to-right format is more difficult than a vertical list. This is why operating system windows, spreadsheets, databases, and most other types of data tend to be laid out in a vertical list. The current format looks nice, but compared to the old format it requires more mental work to accomplish the same task. The icons don't reflect the relative sizes of the document Since the icons are all the exact same sizes and shape, I'm not sure what benefit they offer form a usability standpoint. With the new layout, a 7" x 7" document has the same icon as a 30" x 40" document, which isn't all that useful when selecting a template. For me, it actually makes things more difficult since I have to work against the mental habit of assuming icons visually represent the thing they're attached to. I can appreciate that a lot of work probably went into creating this new format, and I do like how the document sizes are grouped by purpose (print, device, etc), but it largely feels like a change for the sake of change (unless there's some usability benefit I'm not seeing). Edited May 8, 2020 by bad_nerd Wosven, Pšenda and woefi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bad_nerd said: I would love to see a "List View" option at some point in the future so I can more easily select a new document size. For me, the update to the New Document window has made it more difficult to use. There are two primary issues I've had when using it: Identical icons in a grid layout make it hard to scan and compare the different options Comparing and scanning data organized in a left-to-right format is more difficult than a vertical list. This is why operating system windows, spreadsheets, databases, and most other types of data tend to be laid out in a vertical list. The current format looks nice, but compared to the old format it requires more mental work to accomplish the same task. The icons don't reflect the relative sizes of the document Since the icons are all the exact same sizes and shape, I'm not sure what benefit they offer form a usability standpoint. With the new layout, a 7" x 7" document has the same icon as a 30" x 40" document, which isn't all that useful when selecting a template. For me, it actually makes things more difficult since I have to work against the mental habit of assuming icons visually represent the thing they're attached to. I can appreciate that a lot of work probably went into creating this new format, and I do like how the document sizes are grouped by purpose (print, device, etc), but it largely feels like a change for the sake of change (unless there's some usability benefit I'm not seeing). Hello @bad_nerd and welcome to the forum. I share your remark. I do like the newly introduced 'New Document' window but I think it can become better over time. Just recently someone else suggested an approach that makes the page sizes a bit more visual. This, of course, had to be solved for different media in a different way. You can find this suggestion here: Cheers, d. silvio r. 1 Quote Affinity Designer 1 & 2 | Affinity Photo 1 & 2 | Affinity Publisher 1 & 2 Affinity Designer 2 for iPad | Affinity Photo 2 for iPad | Affinity Publisher 2 for iPad Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 6:54 PM, bad_nerd said: With the new layout, a 7" x 7" document has the same icon as a 30" x 40" document, which isn't all that useful when selecting a template. For me, it actually makes things more difficult since I have to work against the mental habit of assuming icons visually represent the thing they're attached to. Yes, this has really failed, and it is useless and completely impractical. The list of offered formats, which would normally fit on a few lines, thus takes up a several pages completely unnecessarily, in which one has to scroll through and laboriously search for the right format. On 5/8/2020 at 6:54 PM, bad_nerd said: I do like how the document sizes are grouped by purpose (print, device, etc) It is a pity that this is done in a completely inconsistent way, which does not correspond to the GUI used in the rest of the application. This is what the dialog/form seems to have been designed by someone who has never even seen Affinity applications. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 I agree that I don't appreciate the new layout yet. But remember that if there are a few standard sizes you use, you can save your own custom presets for them, and then they'll be in a smaller list, which might help Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosven Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: then they'll be in a smaller list, But with the same landscape "icon", when they are in portrait mode, this isn't helpfull at all. I end up mostly clicking on A4 and modifying the document later Perhaps having smaller views would be better so we can focuse on the settings part of the panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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