In the Fill tool, the eyedropper (ALT + left click) does not work.

[yaneG]

In the Fill tool, the eyedropper (ALT + left click) does not work.
I think you should be able to do the same with ALT+Left Click Eyedropper as you would with a paintbrush,

because it's inconvenient to repeat the fill with continuous eyedropping.

thank you.

[GarryP]

When using the Flood Fill Tool, the ‘eyedropper functionality’ doesn’t ‘not work’, it just does not exist.
If you want similar ‘eyedropper functionality’ to that of the Paint Brush Tool to be added to the Flood Fill Tool then you can make a request in the relevant forum section.
This section of the forum is for questions, rather than requests, and is not visited as much by the developers.

[PixelPest]

He speaks of "Fill tool" no? Works here as expected Draw persona.

[GarryP]

yaneG: Which application are you using, and which Persona?
In Designer there is a tool in the Designer Persona called the Fill Tool (which I think used to be called the “Gradient Fill Tool, but I can’t be certain) and there’s a Flood Fill Tool in the Pixel Persona.
In Photo the same icon for Designer’s Fill Tool is called the “Gradient Tool”.
In Publisher there is a tool in the Publisher Persona called the Fill Tool which is the same as in Designer.

Best if we know which application and persona so we know what's what.

[yaneG]

Thank you very much.
I'm using the Japanese version and I don't speak English.
I think the automatic translation is a mistranslation.

The other day, some people who bought AffinityPhoto for drawing were talking about the inconvenience of using the fill tool with ALT+click in japan big BBS..　
The eyedropper with ALT + click during the fill is introduced to various paint tools, and it thought that there was no reason why it could not be done, and tried it, but it could not be done.

That's why I wrote it in the sense that there might be an alternative method, but I don't think it's being conveyed well by automatic translation by AI...

>>You can submit a request in the relevant forum section. This section of the forum is for questions, not requests

If it doesn't have a feature, maybe a request would be good.
 

thank s.

[walt.farrell]

On 5/1/2020 at 12:02 PM, yaneG said:

I think you should be able to do the same with ALT+Left Click Eyedropper as you would with a paintbrush,

If you do make a Feature Request, note that with the paint brush you do not use Alt+Left-Click to pick a color. You use Alt+Drag, which is Alt+Left-Click and then you move the brush. It's the movement that makes it pick a color.

[lepr]

6 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

If you do make a Feature Request, note that with the paint brush you do not use Alt+Left-Click to pick a color. You use Alt+Drag, which is Alt+Left-Click and then you move the brush. It's the movement that makes it pick a color.

On Mac, there is no need to drag, just opt+click with paint brush to pick colour. The drag is required if you want the loupe to appear, though.

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[lepr]

3 hours ago, Lagarto said:

But I think that OP may refer to operation of the Flood Fill tool. It does not allow to pick the fill color similarly as you can when you use the Paint Brush (not at least on Windows). In Photoshop it does, and that's why many probably expect that this would also work in Affinity Photo (especially as it works with the Paint Brush tool).

Yes, I know. My post was in response to Walt, not the OP. Walt said that dragging was necessary because the movement picks the colour, so I said that a click without movement/dragging picks the colour and the drag is only necessary if you want the loupe to appear.

[walt.farrell]

4 hours ago, anon2 said:

On Mac, there is no need to drag, just opt+click with paint brush to pick colour. The drag is required if you want the loupe to appear, though.

 

2 hours ago, Lagarto said:

This is so also on Windows.

Thanks. I never knew that.

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[lepr]

27 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

This is true when you want to pick a color for the Paint Brush tool from another Photo document: in this case you first need to click on the target document (where you wish the picked color to be used) while holding down the Alt (Opt) key and then drag on top of the desired color in the other document, and release the Alt (Opt) key, to get it as the active foreground color (otherwise the color only gets into the picker well). That is to avoid switching the focus to the document where the color was picked from. I am not sure why this needs to be implemented this way. In Photoshop you can pick the color for an active tool from both within the same and any other opened document simply by Alt (Opt) clicking on top of the desired color. I cannot test if this is on Windows only.

That's a good point, and something I've never tried with the paint brush. The Affinity behaviour on macOS is the same as Windows.

Staying off topic for the moment,  a thing I don't like about Affinity's picking of colours from outside the active document view is that the app neglects to convert the picked colour from display colour space to document colour space. The result is that, unless your document has the same colour profile as the display, the colour you get in the document doesn't match what you see outside the document.

Edited May 3, 2020 by anon2
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[yaneG]

Thank you all for your support.
Posted on Request.
Thanks!

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[lepr]

2 hours ago, Lagarto said:

Yes, it is technically unavoidable, but this is still a good feature. The user just needs to ensure that documents use the same color profile (in both Photoshop and Affinity Photo the "foreign" color is picked from within a document, not anywhere on the display, so what e.g. RGB 255,0,0 looks like depends on the document color profile, so you may have multiple documents with the same color value, but clearly different visual outlook; what you copy is just the color value, and how it will look depends on the target document color profile; different color modes makes the things yet more complex). 

As the screenshot below is converted to sRGB the diversity of these reds, each in a document using a different color profile, does not translate realistically (the brightness is cut down because of mapping to sRGB) but all these reds are RGB 255, 0, 0.so you can pick the color from any of these and fill the red of any of the other images, without changing anything.

 

2 hours ago, Lagarto said:

Yes, it is technically unavoidable, but this is still a good feature [...]

It's not technically unavoidable. I'm surprised that you would say that. The app is obviously already capable of conversions from one colour space to another with the intent of preserving appearance. Yes, the success of that is limited by the colour model and gamut of the destination colour space, but I'm not asking for miracles.

It's interesting that you think it good that picking from outside your document can result in a very different looking colour inside your document, whereas that's the very thing that I'm trying to avoid. I would like the option of consistent appearance of colour instead of preservation of numerical values when picking from outside of the document.

Yes, the picked numerical values from a "foreign document" view of the same Affinity app are in the "foreign document's" colour space. However, if picked from some other app on the screen then the numerical values are in the display colour space. Either way, Affinity could easily perform a colour conversion (as it does when converting an entire document rather than a single colour) in an attempt to preserve colour appearance instead of the current behaviour of preserving numerical values.

If I'm sampling a colour from a page in my web browser, the sample's numerical values are in display colour space. The way the Affinity apps presently work, I would need to be using the display colour space as my document colour space, otherwise the picked numerical values will have a different appearance in my document than what is seen in the browser. But I want my document to have a white-balanced profile such as sRGB while I work in it, not my display's profile, and therefore I'd like the app to convert the picked colour from display space to document space.

Obviously, I could take a screenshot of the browser, open it in Affinity and convert that to my document colour space and then pick from the Affinity view of the converted screenshot. That's a heck of a palaver compared to an on-the-fly colour conversion by the app when picking from outside the work document. This automatic conversion could be an option in the Colour section of the app preferences.

 

 

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[lepr]

36 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

One cannot reproduce off gamut document colors.

Yes, of course, and I explicitly wrote that I'm not expecting miracles! We use conversion of entire documents from one proflle to another every day in Affinity (or Photoshop), so the very same mechanism with the same inherent limitations of gamut could be used for on-the-fly conversion of picked colours, as an option.

 

36 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

But more than that, I just take the tool as it is designed to operate and accept the inherent limitations, which is not difficult because the feature operates similarly here as in software I have used for decades, so in my view it behaves as expected. I use this feature to get colors (color values) transferred between documents sharing the same color profile and for me this is a valuable feature.

That's why I twice said that I'd like an option so the picker can work the way you prefer (preservation of numbers) or the way I prefer (preservation of appearance)! 

 

36 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

Having the conversion feature in the color picker by using an additional modifier key (like Shift + Alt) would of course be handy, but personally I rather keep the current implementation than want it removed or replaced with an operation that does approximations and can change color values (within the same color mode). This way I can trust that I do not just think that I am copying exact color values between documents sharing the same color profile, while in fact I am copying calculated similarity from non-identical color spaces, possibly getting a good perceptual likeness, but different color values.

That's why I twice said that I'd like an option so the picker can work the way you prefer (preservation of numbers) or the way I prefer (preservation of appearance)!

There I go saying things repeatedly again.

 

 

[R C-R]

10 hours ago, anon2 said:

If I'm sampling a colour from a page in my web browser, the sample's numerical values are in display colour space.

Is that always true? I am not sure what to make of this but on my iMac I tried comparing the picked color using the Affinity color picker vs. using the one in the Apple Color Picker (accessible via the Affinity View menu).

In Safari, I sampled the RGB 255,0,0 color in Lagarto's earlier post. Both pickers set the color to RGB 255,0,0, as expected. However, when set to use the RGB sliders, the Apple Color Picker has an option to display the color with any profile installed on the Mac. For me, it looks like this:

I assume the Apple Color Picker defaulted to the sRGB profile because that is the profile of the document I had open in AP at that time. That is not the display profile of my iMac -- it is the last one shown in the screenshot, named simply "iMac." If I change to that profile from the option menu, I get this instead:

(FWIW, this also sets the color in the Color panel to RGB 252,13,27.)

I realize this is far from conclusive, but it implies that at least under some circumstances the Affinity color picker does not sample using the display color space numerical values. 

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[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

No, it reads the document color values visual rendering of which is determined by the color profile ...

All I am saying is that in the Mac versions, colors picked from outside the Affinity document window (like in a Safari window) by the Apple Color Picker's eyedropper by default use the Affinity document's color profile, not the display profile, which for me is the "iMac" display profile.

If, with the Apple picker open in Affinity, in it I select the iMac display profile, the values change both there and in the Affinity Color panel.

I have no idea if or how this might apply to anything else, in particular how it might work in the Windows Affinity versions.

[lepr]

6 hours ago, R C-R said:

Is that always true? I am not sure what to make of this but on my iMac I tried comparing the picked color using the Affinity color picker vs. using the one in the Apple Color Picker (accessible via the Affinity View menu).

In Safari, I sampled the RGB 255,0,0 color in Lagarto's earlier post. Both pickers set the color to RGB 255,0,0, as expected. However, when set to use the RGB sliders, the Apple Color Picker has an option to display the color with any profile installed on the Mac. For me, it looks like this:

I assume the Apple Color Picker defaulted to the sRGB profile because that is the profile of the document I had open in AP at that time. That is not the display profile of my iMac -- it is the last one shown in the screenshot, named simply "iMac." If I change to that profile from the option menu, I get this instead:

(FWIW, this also sets the color in the Color panel to RGB 252,13,27.)

The discussion has been about the Affinity colour picker, not the Apple picker, so I'm not understanding why you are reporting numbers that you're getting in the Apple picker. Furthermore, you don't seem to be taking into consideration the probability that your old iMac's display profile has a gamut that's somewhat narrower than sRGB. Say (255,0,0) in an sRGB image is being displayed by (255,0,0) in your display colour space and the picker returns the numbers (255,0,0): there's a danger of drawing the wrong conclusion about which colour space the numbers came from.

Anyway, the Apple colour picker always returns numbers in the display colour space, regardless of the screen location that it samples.

On the other hand, the Affinity colour picker will return numbers in either the display colour space or a document colour space. When it samples any document view of the Affinity app, it returns numbers in the colour space of the sampled document. When it samples elsewhere on the screen, even in a document view of a different Affinity app, the returned numbers are in the display colour space.

6 hours ago, R C-R said:

at least under some circumstances the Affinity color picker does not sample using the display color space numerical values. 

That statement is correct, as I've explained above.

[lepr]

4 hours ago, R C-R said:

All I am saying is that in the Mac versions, colors picked from outside the Affinity document window (like in a Safari window) by the Apple Color Picker's eyedropper by default use the Affinity document's color profile, not the display profile, which for me is the "iMac" display profile.

If, with the Apple picker open in Affinity, in it I select the iMac display profile, the values change both there and in the Affinity Color panel.

I have no idea if or how this might apply to anything else, in particular how it might work in the Windows Affinity versions.

Who cares what the Apple picker is doing (even if it is doing what you think it is doing, which it isn't)? The discussion has concerned the Affinity picker which is a different piece of software.

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4 hours ago, Lagarto said:

The picker does not allow to sample anything beyond the document client areas.

Really? That's a surprising handicap. On macOS, the Affinity picker can pick from anywhere on screen. That's why I've been writing about using it to sample from a browser, for example, with the resulting numerical values being in the display colour space.

[thomaso]

However, the documents color space gets respected only partially in both Colour and Swatches Panel – which may unnecessary confuse the user.

Here two UI views for one identical color, in RGB vs CMYK documents color space.
In particular the squared Swatch icon could irritate when it is about selecting a swatch from the palette view in a CMYK document.

     

[walt.farrell]

5 hours ago, Lagarto said:

The picker does not allow to sample anything beyond the document client areas.

It certainly does allow picking outside the document area on Windows.

1. Using the picker in the Color panel, drag the picker to anywhere on the screen you want, whether inside the Affinity window or outside it.
2. Using the Color Picker Tool, click anywhere inside the Affinity document workspace, then drag wherever you want, whether inside the Affinity window or outside it.