Laganama Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Hi, I have group of objects (or images) underlayed with another colour object. Then I add pixel mask with gradient pixels to this group and leave the default blend mode on "passthrough" for the group. The result of colour mixing is weird. See my screenshot. The expected result appears with "normal" blend mode on this group with pixel mask. Is this normal, or is it bug? I don't understand what kind of math is behind it, but I would expect the same normal result with the "passthrough" blend mode too. Quote Affinity Suite 2.4.2 | iMac 5K (2017) 24GB, macOS Monterey 12.6.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 If you can share the original file someone should be able to come up with an answer fairly quickly. (Easier to check the original than making guesses.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laganama Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Hi, of course. Here you are. Group-blend-modes.afpub Quote Affinity Suite 2.4.2 | iMac 5K (2017) 24GB, macOS Monterey 12.6.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Thanks for that. Strange. There doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with your document, at first glance, but the effect does seem to be unexpected. The Help says that “For a group, the default [blend mode] is 'Passthrough'. When set, the group itself has no special blend properties of its own, and passes on the blend mode of its parent layer.” but what’s the parent of a layer at the root of the tree? I would have thought that would be the document which would have a Blend Mode – if it had one – of Normal (what else would it have?). You can alleviate the effect by changing the Blend Gamma of the ‘passthrough’ group to below 1.5 via the Blend Ranges Options (see attached video) but I don’t know if that’s a real/proper solution/fix or just a workaround. Maybe an expert will see this and comment with their extra knowledge/experience. 2020-04-06 12-43-46.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 The blending of masked (pixel mask and vector mask) Passthrough groups has been broken since the 1.7.3 or earlier version of the apps. Note that the appearance is correct where only the canvas/paper is under the group. Here is a screenshot of a similar example shown in Publisher 1.7.3 Pub 1.7.3.afpub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 On 4/6/2020 at 12:53 PM, GarryP said: The Help says that “For a group, the default [blend mode] is 'Passthrough'. When set, the group itself has no special blend properties of its own, and passes on the blend mode of its parent layer.” but what’s the parent of a layer at the root of the tree? I would have thought that would be the document which would have a Blend Mode – if it had one – of Normal (what else would it have?). "passes on the blend mode of its parent layer" in the description in the Help is nonsense. Passthrough mode means the members of the group blend with the image below the group as if the members were not in a group. See the screenshot below. (Be aware, though, that Passthrough is dysfunctional in current Affinity apps when a group contains a mixture of Live Filter/Adjustments and objects that are not Live Filter/Adjustments; in such a case, the Live Filter/Adjustments fail to affect the image below the group.) lacerto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I wonder if we can get some clarification from the team about this as it seems quite important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 On 4/6/2020 at 6:53 AM, GarryP said: The Help says that “For a group, the default [blend mode] is 'Passthrough'. When set, the group itself has no special blend properties of its own, and passes on the blend mode of its parent layer.” but what’s the parent of a layer at the root of the tree? I would have thought that would be the document which would have a Blend Mode – if it had one – of Normal (what else would it have?). I think the blend mode of the document itself is (or is the equivalent of?) "Passthrough" -- that is, it has no no special blend properties of its own. But as you said, it would be nice to get clarification from the staff about it. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 hours ago, GarryP said: I wonder if we can get some clarification from the team about this as it seems quite important. Can we get some clarification of the "this" to which you refer? There are several candidates for your "this" in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, R C-R said: I think the blend mode of the document itself is (or is the equivalent of?) "Passthrough" -- that is, it has no no special blend properties of its own. But as you said, it would be nice to get clarification from the staff about it. I don't know whether it is technically correct to say the document has a blend mode, but the document content is Normal blended with the "paper"/"canvas" in the document view, and it is Normal blended with a matte when one is specified in export options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepr Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 6:43 PM, anon2 said: The blending of masked (pixel mask and vector mask) Passthrough groups has been broken since the 1.7.3 or earlier version of the apps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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