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I have a single page master with 3 Picture Frames labeled Picture 1, Picture 2, Picture 3.  I applied the master to a single page containing 3 images labeled Picture 1, Picture 2, Picture 3.

ISSUE - The page is not smart updating. The frames from the master are not being populated by the images of the same name. 

I'm trying to follow this tutorial - https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/tutorials/publisher/desktop/video/390003719/

I've tried doing this in 1.8 and 1.8.2 Beta.

I'll appreciate any guidance that can be provided.

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4 hours ago, Marc4321 said:

I have a single page master with 3 Picture Frames labeled Picture 1, Picture 2, Picture 3.  I applied the master to a single page containing 3 images labeled Picture 1, Picture 2, Picture 3.

ISSUE - The page is not smart updating. The frames from the master are not being populated by the images of the same name.

You have misunderstood how smart master pages work, I'm afraid.

They allow replacing one master page by another, and migrating the content when both master pages had text and picture frames with the same name. Thus, suppose Master A has a text frame named Text1, and a picture frame named Picture1. Suppose Master B also has a Text1 text frame, and a Picture1 picture frame.

If document page 1 has Master A applied, and you replace Master A with Master B, the text in the Text1 frame on page 1 will move into the new Text1 frame, even if the frame has a different size or position. And the picture in Picture1 will move into the new Picture1 frame, wherever on the page it is and whatever size it is.

But that's not what you have. You have a document page with no Master, and you're applying a Master to it. No migration occurs then, because smart master pages require that you're replacing 1 master with another related one on a document page.

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You're welcome, Marc.

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On 3/11/2020 at 6:03 PM, walt.farrell said:

You have misunderstood how smart master pages work, I'm afraid.

They allow replacing one master page by another, and migrating the content when both master pages had text and picture frames with the same name. Thus, suppose Master A has a text frame named Text1, and a picture frame named Picture1. Suppose Master B also has a Text1 text frame, and a Picture1 picture frame.

If document page 1 has Master A applied, and you replace Master A with Master B, the text in the Text1 frame on page 1 will move into the new Text1 frame, even if the frame has a different size or position. And the picture in Picture1 will move into the new Picture1 frame, wherever on the page it is and whatever size it is.

But that's not what you have. You have a document page with no Master, and you're applying a Master to it. No migration occurs then, because smart master pages require that you're replacing 1 master with another related one on a document page.

 

On 3/12/2020 at 8:19 AM, walt.farrell said:

You're welcome, Marc.

 

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Have two masters (call them "old" and "new").  Both masters will have frames with the same names.  Create a page, apply the old master to it, and place your images on that page (not the master page).  Then you can apply/replace the new master to the page and the images will migrate to the same-named frames provided by the new master.

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1 minute ago, Ponciano Manzano said:

Walt, do I have to place the images (or text) into the master pages o directly into the pages ? Thanks

You can do either, A blank Text Frame on a master page will have everything set up to accept text on any page you apply the master to, or it can have text from the Master Page applied to every page. I use both. Same with Picture Frames, they can be empty so you can put a new/different photo on each page or you can put one photo in the frame on the Master Page and that picture will be on every page.

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I just put in some dummy text on the Master Page, and 'physically replace it on the applied page. Tip, you should assign a unique Paragraph Style (Head for Replace) to those items so you can find them and make certain that you have actually replaced the dummy text every where using Find and Replace looking for Head for Replace using the Find > Paragraph Styles... in the Find and replace studio.

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At approximately the 4-minute/20-second mark in the video, he drags a master onto a document page and all three images on the page immediately switch from color to monochrome. This is left unexplained. What are the setup steps required to achieve this effect? The brief entry in the help file does not appear to mention this, either.

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The image frames on the master pages are empty. So presumably this had to be done during the first document setup by first populating the frames on the master pages, changing the images to greyscale, and then removing the images (leaving the frames intact).

Serif Persons: is this procedure documented somewhere? I can't seem to find it in v.1.8.3's help file. I didn't make an extensive search for it. I entered "smart" as the search term and looked only at the smart-master-pages topic.

 

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The Picture Frames on the master pages, in this particular case, should be empty.
You can add an Adjustment to a Picture Frame without having an image in it but it will be difficult to see what the effect will be unless there is an image in it.
When you have an image in the Picture Frame, once you can see that the image looks okay you can then remove it by deleting the Image layer from within the Picture Frame layer.
The demonstrator probably didn’t show that they had added the Adjustments earlier as this wasn’t what the demonstration was about, specifically.

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Ok, well, that's what being a newbie will do for a person. I hadn't realized you can add a layer effect to the frame itself even without an image being present.
Thanks.

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Glad that’s sorted.
I don’t think anyone would normally add an Adjustment to a Picture Frame without an image in it as they wouldn’t be able to see what it looked like (unless they were especially good at knowing what the Adjustments will do to every image). Better to add the image, then add the Adjustment, then remove the image, in this case.

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I can't imagine wanting to add an adjustment to an image-less frame, but it's interesting to know that it can be done. A simple setup, perhaps: Establish some default settings at the beginning. Then, update them when need be.

 

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On 3/11/2020 at 9:25 PM, Marc4321 said:

I have a single page master with 3 Picture Frames labeled Picture 1, Picture 2, Picture 3.  (...)
I've tried doing this in 1.8 and 1.8.2 Beta.

On 5/19/2020 at 9:51 PM, Ponciano Manzano said:

do I have to place the images (or text) into the master pages o directly into the pages ?

Alternatively you might try the current Beta 1.8.4. There a layout switch with image replacement also works without re-named layers. 1357553332_v651smartlayoutpropertysetting.jpg.bc1f4608e6dff36384951194a92def3f.jpg

 

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