muopops Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Hi, every time I use Enter on the keyboard, the text jumps skips a full line. Why? I attached the file, there must be something wrong with the text format. Test.afpub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Welcome to the forums. You have a Paragraph Spacing setting of 12pt for “Space After Paragraph”. This means that you will get a space of 12pt after each paragraph that has that setting applied. This is perfectly normal behaviour for this setting as the Enter key starts a new paragraph. You can remove the space – or reduce it – by reducing the value pointed to in my attached image. Does this help or is the problem something else? Dan C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 It's perhaps worth noting that "Space After Paragraph" is set to 12pt by default in Affinity Publisher. The key, really, as Garry noted, is that Enter gives a new paragraph. If you simply want to end one line and force a line break, but stay in the same paragraph, you can use Shift+Enter instead. Or you can reduce that spacing value if you really did want a new paragraph. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muopops Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 thanks, helped a lot! strange that the default setting is not dynamically changing with the individual user settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 You're welcome. Which individual user setting do you think it should dynamically change with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, GarryP said: Which individual user setting do you think it should dynamically change with? I've always thought that the "space after paragraph" should be related to the font size, in some way, if it's not going to default to 0pt. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 As far as I can tell it defaults to the default font size but I don’t know why 12pt is the default font size. Do you (or anyone else) know why 12pt font size is the default? Obviously it’s got to be something but I don’t know why it’s 12pt specifically and not, for example, 8pt or 14pt, or 9pt, etc. Also, I don’t know why the default space between paragraphs would, by default, be the same as the font size. Is there any typographic guideline that says this should be so? A quick look at a few books and magazines – just to check – shows that they mostly have no space between paragraphs. Maybe some more useful defaults could be chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I've no idea why 12pt is the default font, other than something has to be, as you said As for paragraph spacing in books and magazines, usually they use indentation to signal paragraph breaks, not spacing. I believe there is formal guidance to use one or the other, but not both. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 11 hours ago, GarryP said: You can remove the space – or reduce it – by reducing the value pointed to in my attached image. Not that I am even close to up to speed on this, but I noticed that checking the "Ignore space for same styles" checkbox also removes the space after paragraphs (of the same style, of course). Would it make sense for that to be an application default? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, R C-R said: Not that I am even close to up to speed on this, but I noticed that checking the "Ignore space for same styles" checkbox also removes the space after paragraphs (of the same style, of course). Would it make sense for that to be an application default? I think a zero space for before/after values makes more sense. But it is easy enough to make it zero or the setting you indicate and make it the default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I agree that a 0pt space both before and after paragraphs should be the default values out-of-the-box. In this case I think it’s better that a new user is given a ‘blank slate’ to work from rather than giving them some ‘extra’ formatting they might not be expecting. Apart from the Justification and Baseline Grid settings (which can normally just be accepted), the “Space After Paragraph” setting – as far as I can see – is the only way the text is formatted, via “No Style”, so what makes that setting so special? Surely “No Style” should mean “No formatting has been applied” and the user can choose to apply their own settings if they want to? Or, to put it another way, “No Style” doesn’t automatically apply, for example, Drop Caps, Bullets or Decorations, so why does it automatically apply a space after the paragraph? It doesn’t make much sense to me but I’d be happy to be persuaded otherwise if there is a good argument for it. However, as MikeW said above, the defaults can be changed so it’s not that much of a big deal, as long as you know how to save the defaults (see attached image). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 12:46 PM, walt.farrell said: It's perhaps worth noting that "Space After Paragraph" is set to 12pt by default in Affinity Publisher. The key, really, as Garry noted, is that Enter gives a new paragraph. If you simply want to end one line and force a line break, but stay in the same paragraph, you can use Shift+Enter instead. Or you can reduce that spacing value if you really did want a new paragraph. I'am a bit confused with the new Designer 1.8 and hard and soft paragraphs. I remember in all the Layout apps that I used I can do a hard step with the return and a soft paragraph with shift and return. Now in the 1.8 version the soft paragraph with shift+return don't work. IS there a new feature or shortcut I miss? Anyone here with the same Problem? in the Designer version 1.7 works all like expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Can you use menu “View → Show Special Characters” and give us a screen grab of where your text isn’t as you expect it to be? You should see the characters as in my attached image: “strange backwards P” for a paragraph break (ENTER); “bent arrow” for line break (SHIFT+ENTER). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 This was the first thing I was search for like all other Professional Produkts should have, but can't find the »Show special Characters« in Affinity Designer 1.8 (I remember this is only in Publisher available) but like I said in the 1.7 version a soft paragraph worked, now not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 ohhhh after some test I found out, that now »control + enter« is the new soft paragraph 🤦♂️ @Serif is that on purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted March 4, 2020 Staff Share Posted March 4, 2020 @3joern - are you using Windows or Mac please? On a Mac, SHIFT + RETURN or CONTROL + RETURN should create a soft return character - is this the behaviour you're seeing? Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 nope, only control+return work as a soft return charakter. Shift+return is like only return. Tested with old 1.7 and new generated Files in 1.8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted March 4, 2020 Staff Share Posted March 4, 2020 Thanks for confirming that - what language settings are you using within Mac OS & Affinity please? What keyboard layout do you use? (if known) Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 German, OSX Sierra, QWERTZ (German Keyboard), iMac 27" 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Dan C Posted March 4, 2020 Staff Share Posted March 4, 2020 Thanks for that info - I've still been unable to replicate this on a Mac using the same setup as yourself, both Shift & Control worked with return to create a soft return. When holding Shift & return, do you get a regular return, or no character input at all? What about in other Mac applications (do you see the same behaviour as in Affinity?) Quote Please note - I am currently out of the office for a short while whilst recovering from surgery (nothing serious!), therefore will not be available on the Forums during this time. Should you require a response from the team in a thread I have previously replied in - please Create a New Thread and our team will be sure to reply as soon as possible. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 If I try it here soft no problem (shift+return) hard no problem (only return) as I say in the 1.7 Version this works as expected and I have no other changes then the Designer update. hmmmm no idea, see break.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3joern Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 oh as Walt suggest here: I take a look and just choose the Apple-Standart Shortcuts in Settings, then some Shortcuts disappears, now Designer works like expected with both Shortcuts. But if I choose Serif-Standart the deleted Shortcuts don't come back (just for the record). Dan C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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