Jeremy Bohn Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 There are tons of foreign language fonts installed by macOS. Starting with Catalina, there is no way the manually remove them anymore. However, Apple made it so they don't show up in the font menus of typical Mac apps. One exception is Affinity apps. For example, see how many of this one font is clogging up my font menu: I found this 2017 thread here and it ends with "We have now resolved the problem and will make the fix available in the next iPad & Mac release." Maybe this is a regression? I originally posted in this thread, but the problem is also in the betas so I hope it's okay that I reposted here to hopefully get more attention. robzin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Sean P Posted January 17, 2020 Staff Share Posted January 17, 2020 Hi Jeremy, certainly looks like a regression here! I've reopened the issue with development. Thanks for letting us know! Jeremy Bohn and robzin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Jon W Posted January 22, 2020 Staff Share Posted January 22, 2020 Not a regression - the previous fix was for iOS only, we now need to do something similar for Mac. AdamW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Ahh please do ASAP. I don't think I saw so many of those fonts until Catalina! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Jon W said: the previous fix was for iOS only So why did the note about it say “[We] will make the fix available in the next iPad & Mac release”? Jeremy Bohn and MikeW 1 1 Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Any word if this is going to be fixed soon? It's a big slow down scrolling through the font menu with all those extra language fonts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Jon W Posted March 4, 2020 Staff Share Posted March 4, 2020 Hi Jeremy, I'm afraid we have decided to keep the current behaviour for 1.8. We currently show all installed fonts regardless of language, in common with other non-Apple software. If we start hiding fonts of certain languages, there will be problems for any documents that already use such fonts. We would like to fix this properly by adding language filtering to the font list, but there is currently no timeline for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 I understand, but why do other apps hide them? Why does your iPad app hide them? Was it incorrect when it was said in the other thread "We have now resolved the problem and will make the fix available in the next iPad & Mac release."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Another couple of thoughts... - instead of disabling the fonts, just give the option to hide them from the list? That way when a document is opened that uses the font, it'll still work. - also note that Apple's FontBook only displays the Noto font as 7 families. I think Affinity apps should at least do the same thing: robzin, Mike W077 and garrettm30 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Jon W Posted March 5, 2020 Staff Share Posted March 5, 2020 We will be investigating this issue. There are many aspects to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Jeremy Bohn said: - instead of disabling the fonts, just give the option to hide them from the list? I have long thought this is a macOS deficiency, and the very suggestion you have made for Affinity is what I have wished could be possible at the system level. I don't want to disable fonts that the system—or, for example, music programs—might use, but I don't want them cluttering the font menus. That some apps have started hiding some of these foreign fonts was unknown to me until this very thread. I would appreciate if Serif gave the option to hide those fonts, and I would activate the option, but I think this would be a case where they would be stepping in to do what Apple should have done in the first place. [I would leave feedback for Apple—indeed I used to in the past—but I never feel like Apple actually listens. Too bad they're not like Serif in that regard.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 I wasn't 100% sure on this either garrett until I noticed 1 million "Noto" fonts clogging my font menu in Publisher. I had to Google that font to figure out what it was only to find out I can't remove them. The fact that Noto doesn't show up in many Apple-built apps suggests there's a way to hide those kinds of fonts. I also put in a request with Apple regarding this subject. Either let us disable those fonts in FontBook, or provide a way for developers to hide them so each developer doesn't have to work on their own solution. Old Bruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, garrettm30 said: I have long thought this is a macOS deficiency, and the very suggestion you have made for Affinity is what I have wished could be possible at the system level. I don't want to disable fonts that the system—or, for example, music programs—might use, but I don't want them cluttering the font menus. My opinion is it's only a recent deficiency because you used to be able to remove the foreign language fonts. Recent versions of macOS were more restricting. In Mojave I could remove most of the extra fonts manually with the admin password. Just some asian ones remained. Now with Catalina, the fonts have all been moved into the System Fonts folder, and that folder is now on a locked system partition. I also don't recall ever seeing Noto prior to Catalina, so I wonder if it's new for Catalina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I have one Noto font on 10.14.6 (Mojave) it is an Urdu font. For what it is worth it is designed by Monotype and owned by Google. It is in the System > Library > Fonts > ... Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 Talking with some Apple developers and a comment I received was: Apple provides a complete architecture for sorting and filtering fonts by either language or collection. But 3rd party apps just ignore all that. Patrick Connor and Gitmesteak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrettm30 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 It seems reasonable that the font menu could be filtered without harming the display of these foreign fonts that potentially might be in the document—or rather, probably never in the document, since we are talking about fonts we would never use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bohn Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Has there been any progress on this issue? I see in Big Sur and the 1.8 public release / 1.9 beta that it has not been fixed and it's been about a year since I first reported it. robzin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robzin Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 When trying to select a font from the Designer font picking window, Noto fonts take up the entire vertical space on my 27" monitor. I can't remove or disable them. Please include some sort of option to hide them, or consolidate them into fewer families. They don't show up in other apps. In Microsoft Word, I can select from the font collections I created with Font Book, such as Serif, Sans Serif, Symbol, etc. That lets me jump to the right sort of font without scrolling through hundreds of system installed foreign language fonts. The lack of some way to filter fonts is an impairment to workflow, and it is clearly possible to do it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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