mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I want that an placed afdesign-Logo with a black Typo overprints to the background. But it did not work. Why? Test.afpub LOGO.afdesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Please post your file here, so others can have a look. At a first glance, overprint should work, based on your export settings. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavagePT Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Are you exporting fully rasterized PDFs? See here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The "logo" does seem to be fairly simple, so I would doubt that rasterising Unsupported Properties lead to the shown result. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 I tried every option - black does NOT overprint MajewskiLansing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 So again, please post the ADesigner file here. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Problem ist PDF/X-4 !! Overprint did not work here - but why??? Stupid ! With PDF/X-3 compatibility, the overptint-function does work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 Dear Affinity-Team - so you can delete the PDF/X-4 export option - it didn´t work with overprint. Can you fix it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Could be a Mac problem? X4 working as expected on Windows. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Pauls Posted December 18, 2019 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2019 I find the text as curves seems to be causing the text to get knocked out and I can't get the Convert image colour space checkbox into the state shown in the screenshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 it is a simple test-Logo made with Affinity Designer. Why did it work with PDF/X-3 and not with PDF/X-4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, Pauls said: I find the text as curves seems to be causing the text to get knocked out I find the object as linked causes the knock-out. Whereas the same curved text object as copied/pasted from this linked .afdesign within APub does overprint in a PDF/X-4: Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 @mschwerer, why on earth do you constantly ignore @Joachim_L’s proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, mac_heibu said: @mschwerer, why on earth do you constantly ignore @Joachim_L’s proposal? The first post was edited and the file attached. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_heibu Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Fine, but I normally don‘t re-read every post of a thread, which I already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim_L Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I simply do not understand, why Schwarz Overprint is a spot colour? In AD it is not defined as such. If I edit it in APu it is suddenly a spot colour. ??? After several tests ... spot colours are not overprinting in X-4, so I would call it indeed a bug. Quote ------ Windows 10 | i5-8500 CPU | Intel UHD 630 Graphics | 32 GB RAM | Latest Retail and Beta versions of complete Affinity range installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Pauls Posted December 18, 2019 Staff Share Posted December 18, 2019 We've come across this before I think the preview may be not telling us the whole truth - here's a response from teh resident expert :- " Use Output Preview in Acrobat, and make sure the Simulation profile is correct. If you preview Separations, then it will show without overprint. However, if you switch Preview to Colour warnings and check Show overprinting, then Acrobat does highlight the correct areas as overprinted. If you switch Preview to Object inspector, and click on an area intended to be overprinted, it will list all the colours at that point and the overprinted colour will say "Overprint=true". You will also see that the overprinted colour has a profile. If you then re-export the same document with Export profiles unchecked, the Object inspector shows the overprinted colour space as Default CMYK with no profile. The Separations preview will show the overprinting as expected. If you export with a PDF/X preset, then the PDF gets a colour intent which has a profile. Colour shapes get exported as Default CMYK, which uses the document intent, so they don't get their own colour profile so Acrobat Separations preview shows the overprint. This explains why PDF/X can behave differently to other PDF presets. " We have an issue logged to hopefully improve the situation regarding the separation preview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Joachim_L said: why Schwarz Overprint is a spot colour? In AD it is not defined as such. Good point – and quite disturbing. Related to this I noticed that the copied object also gets this overprinting spot color (< colors panel) but without a swatch in swatches panel. That confuses me because in APub I have no way to generate a overprinting color without defining a global swatch (which additionally demands a document palette). Also confusing is the color icon at the opacity slider: it shows as 0 % opacity the color of a previously selected object. (here: the background picture frame) 1 hour ago, Joachim_L said: spot colours are not overprinting in X-4 Sure? Compare my screenshot some posts above = this X-4 pdf: Test_ot.pdf Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Pauls said: If you preview Separations, then it will show without overprint. However, if you switch Preview to Colour warnings and check Show overprinting, then Acrobat does highlight the correct areas as overprinted. Do you mean this topics issue is just a matter of Acrobat Separations inspector settings? If yes, how comes that the linked .afdesign does NOT overprint whereas the same item as pasted, not linked, does overprint within the same PDF/X-4? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 I checked all - overprint doesent´t work with PDF/X-4 ! I analysed the file in Acrobat Pro 2017. I´m confused now ;-( Guess it´s a bug !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Indeed confusing. In this preflight of a PDF/X-4 both objects get marked as overprinting (different to my previous screenshots with visual separation): Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschwerer Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 i don´t think we have to try different work-arounds and testings! It should go with PDF/X-4! Never had these problems with InDesign ! I hope you can fix it Sorry about my english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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