DreamThinkLive Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Hi, I was curious why the video on Vimeo was explaining the process incorrectly? It seems like the presenter was doing the steps backwards or just wrong? Instead of using the Low Frequency layer to fix the tones he is using it for clean up and the Hi Frequency layer for the color tones. Am I the only one who doesn't do it this way? Because the end images shows a blurred features. Just wanted to inquire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broicher Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 There are many ways of working with frequency separations. This is just one of them. I always start with the healing tool in order to delete the bis "issues" out of an image. Then I usually use frequency separation to separate the image into a residual layer and different wavelets. This is simply done by splitting the frequencies starting with 1px, then re-split the remaining low frequency layer again with 2px and so on and so on. In the end (due to the incremental depression) you have one residual layer at the bottom (low frequencies, so very blurred) and on top of it the single frequency wavelets (highest on top) I usually group them and then generate different wavelet layers (where I leave out different of the above wavelets) for masking. The topmost will be one where I leave the highest frequencies in and de-activate e.g. the 3px wavelet. Below it there will be a layer without the 3px and 4px wavelets and so on. If you put these on top of the original and mask the layers, you will have a very precise control over which frequency information you want to mask out in what part of your picture. You end up with something like this: http://www.frankbroicher.de/photography/gallery/showpic.php?pix=Beauty/FHB_141.jpg(sorry, it may be a bit small, but I assume you get the idea). Cheers Frank DreamThinkLive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csp Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Hi, I was curious why the video on Vimeo was explaining the process incorrectly? It seems like the presenter was doing the steps backwards or just wrong? Instead of using the Low Frequency layer to fix the tones he is using it for clean up and the Hi Frequency layer for the color tones. Am I the only one who doesn't do it this way? Because the end images shows a blurred features. Just wanted to inquire... no, you are not alone, this is indeed strange because it contradicts the benefits of using fs. DreamThinkLive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamThinkLive Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 There are many ways of working with frequency separations. This is just one of them. I always start with the healing tool in order to delete the bis "issues" out of an image. Then I usually use frequency separation to separate the image into a residual layer and different wavelets. This is simply done by splitting the frequencies starting with 1px, then re-split the remaining low frequency layer again with 2px and so on and so on. In the end (due to the incremental depression) you have one residual layer at the bottom (low frequencies, so very blurred) and on top of it the single frequency wavelets (highest on top) I usually group them and then generate different wavelet layers (where I leave out different of the above wavelets) for masking. The topmost will be one where I leave the highest frequencies in and de-activate e.g. the 3px wavelet. Below it there will be a layer without the 3px and 4px wavelets and so on. If you put these on top of the original and mask the layers, you will have a very precise control over which frequency information you want to mask out in what part of your picture. You end up with something like this: http://www.frankbroicher.de/photography/gallery/showpic.php?pix=Beauty/FHB_141.jpg(sorry, it may be a bit small, but I assume you get the idea). Cheers Frank Hi Frank, Yeah i understand the process of FS. But, in that video it showed the person blurring the skin and removing the details from it which, I think removes the whole point of FS. They could have just blurred the skin and call it a day. :) no, you are not alone, this is indeed strange because it contradicts the benefits of using fs. CSP, I know everyone has ways of retouching but this just seemed to defeat the purpose of FS. I just think if a tutorial is going to be up there it should show the polished example of how to use FS. But by no means i'm trying to take away the hard work they have put into making them for us. I do appreciate it. Just my 2 cents. :) Broicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broicher Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I looked at the video again and I have to agree, what he is doing is actually nothing else than removing high frequencies, so basically applying a low pass filter which again is nothing else than blurring. THAT is actually not what frequency separation is capable of. So, I totally agree. DreamThinkLive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff acapstick Posted July 13, 2015 Staff Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hi, I think we'll look at this again and provide a better tutorial very soon. I really appreciate the time you've taken to point this out. Many thanks Andy Capstick DreamThinkLive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff acapstick Posted July 13, 2015 Staff Share Posted July 13, 2015 Should be up now. Thanks Andy Paekke, DreamThinkLive and manu schwendener 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamThinkLive Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Should be up now. Thanks Andy Thanks Andy! Again my comments were not meant to offend anyone. I just wanted to point it out. Thanks again for all the hard work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paekke Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I recall the end result was very poor in the old video, glad you changed it.. :) No one, want's to loose all the great detail that texture provides ;) DreamThinkLive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnyb Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Andy can you provide a link? I can't see anything new on your Vimeo channel re. FS... Thanks! Should be up now. Thanks Andy Quote 2021 16” Macbook Pro w/ M1 Max 10c cpu /24c gpu, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Ventura 13.6 2018 11" iPad Pro w/ A12X cpu/gpu, 256 GB, iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamThinkLive Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Andy can you provide a link? I can't see anything new on your Vimeo channel re. FS... Thanks! Hey Ronny, It's the same link that i posted above. They just updated the video. ronnyb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnyb Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Oh ok, strange because the Vimeo page says that video is from 3 weeks ago... Hey Ronny, It's the same link that i posted above. They just updated the video. Quote 2021 16” Macbook Pro w/ M1 Max 10c cpu /24c gpu, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Ventura 13.6 2018 11" iPad Pro w/ A12X cpu/gpu, 256 GB, iPadOS 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamThinkLive Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Oh ok, strange because the Vimeo page says that video is from 3 weeks ago... Yeah i know. I thought it was strange as well but when i watched it was different. ronnyb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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