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Hi, I am new here.
I jusr recently purchased Affinity Publisher and I am starting to use it for some black & white typesetting.

However, as soon as I started with some tests, I can’t seem to be able to print the text pages (Black only) on my laser printer and ensure it actually comes out as Black. It always prints screened, at a percentage which seems to be about a 90% Black.

I have searched the forums and Google to see if other users had encountered a similar problem, but I can’t seem to find anything.
I tried to set my document both with CMYK and Gray color format, to no avail. I also recreated the Black from scratch, giving a value of 0-0-0-100, but it prints in screened dark gray both if I use a "rich black" or a 0-0-0-100 CMYK Black.

I am using Publisher with an old Mac Tower and operating system El Capitan 10.11.6.
The problem seems to be with Affinity alone, as my old InDesign prints the Black correctly.

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Sorry, I had some busy days!

Here’s the afpub document, and a screenshot to show how I set up the black.
The document color method is CMYK. I am printing on a Samsung laser printer which never did this with other sofwtare.

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Large settings.afpub

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Thanks for your file & screenshot - the file appears correct in my opinion, the colour profile is correctly set and the text is certainly at 0,0,0,100.

I've tested printing this on a Samsung laser printer here from both a PC and Mac - the blacks print as expected and I'm unable to replicate your described issue.

Could you please open the Print dialog, then change the dropdown from 'Range and Scale' to 'Colour Matching' and provide a screenshot of your settings here? Thanks in advance :)

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Many, many thanks to begin with!

I will do so ASAP, when I am back home. This has been pretty frustrating so far… :-(

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5 hours ago, Dan C said:

Could you please open the Print dialog, then change the dropdown from 'Range and Scale' to 'Colour Matching' and provide a screenshot of your settings here? Thanks in advance :)

Hi,
I have opened the "Print" dialog box but I do not have a "Colour Matching" element in the dropdown menu. It‘s as follows:
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Thanks for your screenshots, my sincerest apologies for the delayed response.

Could you please check under Graphics & Printer Settings from the dropdown list shown in your screenshot to see if either of these options contain Colour settings.

It sounds as though the Printer isn't using the Coated FOGRA39 profile when printing. Do you know which profile your printer is using by default?

Could you please try exporting to PDF making sure the correct profile is selected and then print from Preview to see what happens?

Thanks in advance :) 

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Hi Dan,
many thanks. The "Graphics" and "Printer Setting" sections of the driver do not contain any specific information about colour settings. Here they are, anyway:
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I tried to export the document in PDF, keeping the Fogra profile, but it always prints in gray (from the PDF even a lighter gray, for what matters).
I also tried to change the document color settings to "Grey-16" (instead of "CMYK-8") but it's the same. And so is if the document is in "RGB" format. :-(

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I also tried to select "Black point compensation" in the "Preferences" dialog box but again, to no avail.

Even choosing to "Perceptual" the rendering intent does not change anything. Always dark grey (screened) instead of Black… :-(

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Thanks for the screenshots and information provided, unfortunately I'm still unable to replicate this here currently.

Could you please provide me with a copy of the PDF you've exported?

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On 11/4/2019 at 4:24 PM, Dan C said:

Thanks for the screenshots and information provided, unfortunately I'm still unable to replicate this here currently.

Could you please provide me with a copy of the PDF you've exported?

Well, I am sad as I would have loved to start to use Affinity Publisher instead of the Adobe products, but if I can’t even print out a page in Black it’s quite disappointing. :-(
Here’s the PDF, thanks much!
Large settings.pdf

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Many thanks for your PDF, this shows me that the correct colour profile is being applied, and your text is set to 100% K correctly.

Could you please try printing this PDF twice for me, first from Preview and secondly after importing into InDesign. Do both of these methods print correctly?

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7 hours ago, Dan C said:

Many thanks for your PDF, this shows me that the correct colour profile is being applied, and your text is set to 100% K correctly.

Could you please try printing this PDF twice for me, first from Preview and secondly after importing into InDesign. Do both of these methods print correctly?

Thanks. I did both and in Preview (which was what I already used the first time) it prints in a pretty light gray (abiud a 60% Black), while when I imported the PDF in InDesign it prints in Black (apparently in a correct way). What can I do? :-(

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:00 PM, haakoo said:

Here are some threads about the black text issue
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/search/&q=100%K

There are just two threads raising an issue about the 100% Black (and obviously I searched the forum before asking) but they are about a different problem, and none answers my specific one, which is pretty key, as I can’t even print Black elements in Black from within the application (not PDFs, exports, etc.). :-(

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I think I have solved the problem.

The problem is not specific to Affinity Designer, rather it’s a problem of how printers basically handle the printing of Black text in color documents, and how Black is specified within said documents.
While InDesign has a "smarter" approach and lets you specify to print all the text boxes in Black in the Printer dialog box, many graphics applications (Including Illustrator) usually handle CMYK Black specified (correctly) as a 100% as a "bleak" Black, and thus they print it screened. Even if one specifies a CMYK rich Black, say 40/30/30/100, the text comes out blacker but still screened and "fuzzy" around the edges.

To obtain a perfectly sharp text in Affinity, for documents which need to be printed neatly just in black and white, just set it as a RGB Black (0/0/0) and print as usual.
I don’t know if it has any incidence, since it’s about continuous tone RGB pictures, but I also unchecked "Black point compensation" (see screenshot) and used rendering intent "Relative colourimetric", which is usually the default for most graphic applications.
To obtain it in InDesign, as said, you just have to leave the Black swatch "as is", and the application handles it automatically when you specify in the "Options" section of the Print dialog box "RGB composite" and "Text in Black".

Here there’s a solution that apparently should obtain the same crisp black for text in Illustrator, but it did not work for me (as it probably depends also on the printer drivers).

https://beeldbuijs.nl/how-to/print-100-black/

At any rate: now I can start to use Affinity Publisher. Yay! :17_heart_eyes:
Thanks much for the help and moral help.

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