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In another thread I produced some artwork with some text in an A3 document. https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/163212-art-and-a-poem-using-language-independent-glyphs/&do=findComment&comment=933597 Later, I produced a slightly different version with CMYK colour and 3 mm bleed areas all around. I uploaded it to an online virtual print house and I have received some prints on 350 gsm paper, the colours going right to the edges. I am now trying to produce an A5 version. To do this I made a copy of the .afdesign file and, still at A3 size, in the copy I gradually increased the text size from 11 point to 24 point, by a combination of increasing the point size of the text, decreasing the inter-line spacing and moving the text box a bit up and a bit left. This done so that with an A5 version that the text will be large ebough to read. I then saved that A3 large lettering file. I then made a copy of that .afdesign file and then, using File Document Setup... scaled the copy to A5. Yes, the text and the language-independent symbols go to 12 point. However, it seems that the scaling is about the point (0, 0) so the black now only goes to -1.5 mm rather than -3 mm. That seems perfectly logical, but it does mean that the A5 PDF document only has black across half of the bleed area. Ah, I am wondering if I can add black rectangles into the bleed area. That might be straightforward down the left side, but along the upper edge and lower edge there are angles and at the lower edge several colours. So, I might be able to fix it that way. But is there a simpler method please? William

I am not expert in using Designer, essentially a beginner, and I am not professionally trained in printing terminology. I am enjoying producing what are notionally custom photo greetings cards, yet I am using computer generated artwork. Thus far I have produced two, the first of which arrived here a while ago and is now framed and displayed on a wall of my home and the second one is in the post on its way here. I am, essentially, pushing the envelope on what are everyday greetings cards as if they are art prints. They also do art prints that are dearer and if I can get good at producing artwork I might well buy one or more of those too. The first one is landscape format, using https://www.papier.com/landscape-photo-313 I am very pleased with the result. and the second one is portrait format, using https://www.papier.com/portrait-photo-315 It has not yet arrived here. Both are text and I generated the artwork in Serif PagePlus X7. They also had a white background. Helpful discussion with Papier staff, both by email and online chat and links to web pages that they supplied enabled me to work out what I needed. It was a jpg, 7 inches by 5 inches, 300 dots per inch, CMYK, with a 3 mm bleed area on each edge. I worked using pixel measurements and used 2171 pixels by 1571 pixels. ---- I am now wanting to produce some artwork in Designer. The particular Papier template that I am intending to use is the portrait format one that I used before. It allows me to use colour to the edge of the card, like a lot of the quality A5 non-specific occasion cards that are often available at museums, art galleries and some bookshops and the like. So I am thinking that I need to paint, I shall probably use the watercolour brushes, into the bleed area. So I did a test, the result of which is interesting. In Designer I set up a 7 inch by 5 inch drawing, and to make what happens clear I used a 1 inch bleed area on each edge. One inch is far more than the 3 mm that I need to use in teh artwork, but this is a test. So I used the diamond tool to draw a large diamond with its leftside point touching the left edge of the displayed Designer document. I then exported a jpg including bleed areas. I opened the jpg in Microsoft Paint and teh diamond was 1 inch in from the left edge of the image. So it seems to be able to draw colour to the edge of the artwork for the card, that I need to generate a document that in larger than 7 inches by 5 inches by 3 mm on each side and not have, as far as Designer is "aware", a bleed area at all, then export from Designer without a bleed area. That should produce artwork that is regarded by the papier system as having a 3 mm bleed area on each edge and, provided I have drawn the artwork correctly, have colour going right to the edge of the card. ---- Having chosen the CMYK/8When setting up the colour profile and not understanding which to use I used Agfa: Swop Standard as I thought that as the greetings cards are intended to use a photo, rather than computer generated artwork, that that one looked as if it might be nearer to a photograph. Is that right? In any case I shall, as before, unless advised otherwise in this forum, not include an ICC profile in the jpg file. William

I see that bleed area guides have been on the feature roadmap for Design since summer of 2014. When might we expect to see this feature?