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Designer v1.7.0.12 Interesting conundrum... Not entirely sure if this is a bug in Designer or in my brain. Let's eliminate one out of two possibilities this way: Make a new file with an artboard. Add 2 objects onto the artboard. E.g. Two squares. Group them. Select one object of that group via layers palette, or by clicking through to the object. Drag the object off the artboard. Take a look at the layers palette. The object that is outside artboard is not in the group anymore. Leaving artboard = leaving group. OK? Now try this: Undo the drag above and drag your objects far apart in the group but make sure that both objects are still on the artboard. Now select the group and position it so that one object is off the artboard. Now, the group is intact. Leaving artboard honours grouping. There is inconsistence, right? To be honest, I am not sure which behavior is 'right' but I think that explicit groups should be honoured. Surely, dragging one object off the artboard can be interpreted as user's intent to take it out of the group but that would not be right since groups are not artboard-dependent entities and this behaviour could introduce some pain to well structured work files.