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29 minutes ago, hifred said:
Just have a look at this little gif (I linked it as it would be too distracting to look at while reading). It happens to be Publisher I opened today as people were raving about the latest version. The first thing I see when drawing a rectangle is graphics errors, likely due to missing Hardware Acceleration.
I'm not all to certain if I understand you correctly because the GIF also is somehow sluggish.
But you seem to focus on the short graphics errors. Yes, they are definitely there. Confirmed.
But they influence in no way a fluid expierence using the app. It does not feel sluggish at all.
Here is a video taken at real time (60 fps):
This is the key frame at second 12.500 that shows a grapic error:
So this annoys you, right? Or is the user experience on par with this stuttering your GIF has?
I'm not sure if you took the GIF at a lower FPS as your screen. So this would be distracting.If I open my photo book project with 200+ linked image files yes, the app gets sluggish and crashes.
But until that point the experience is very good.To conclude on this I would say I do not miss the hardware acceleration because I can live with short redrawing issues like this, but I need Serif to optimize the memory handling with lots of images as for now you can't do a proper sized photo book with Publisher and keep the linked images. As said before I had to rasterize everything to keep memory low and Publisher therefore responsive and relieable.
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2 hours ago, hifred said:
That appears odd to me, as anyone who reads this forum semi-regularly will encounter valid samples of missing performance-optimization.
I did, of course. But not on that level described here. That's surprising.
I see memory problems with Publisher when you work on a real world sized project and not on small samples. I saw problems handling images and also exporting a long document as PDF. But you may already knew I reported all these.
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57 minutes ago, hifred said:
also tend to seek own responsability for encountered malfunctions.
Forgive me, but if you build your own PC you are indeed responsible. So, yes.
I would not have rsponded that way to a Mac User as I know that the setups are pre made and unlikely to have such compatbility problems. Apple takes care and is responsible for that.
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1 hour ago, FolioGraphic said:
I've been building PCs for gaming for years and am aware of most (Not an expert who knows everything by far) issues like those mentioned above but this system is as stable as any I've seen and it rips through anything I've put up against it without issues until now.
So you did all the tests I mentioned above with good results?
I build also my PCs and did those as a standard procedure to confirm my compilation. And I repeat after changing hardware. I want to keep my setup primestable.
If you order a custom setup build at Mindfactory for example they do those same tests.
And it is not needless as @hifred said. It's a good practice of Quality assurance.
If you did all that already please state next time the condition of your computer.
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35 minutes ago, hifred said:
with a large enough PSU
In one of my cases the PSU was of course large enough, but it was one of those awful BeQuiet PSUs.
I changed it in the first place, but problems stayed. I suspected something else then. Later I learned that the whole series had a design problem. The matter was that the output was not stable enough.
Many apps did not care, others resulted in stutterting and some even in blue screens. Total depending on the app.
I switched to Seasonic PSUs after that and never encountered PSU related problems again.
Just as one example.
43 minutes ago, hifred said:with render-engines which tax CPU and GPU at full load over hours, you will have to forgive me that I don't fire up Prime needlessly.
It's okay then, I accept it as a stress test.
I cannot explain why Affinity does perform so badly on your machine.
On my side PaintShop Pro 2019 performs very bad. Can you confirm bad performance here also?
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1 hour ago, hifred said:
Just to be clear: I have no intentions to bash Affinity Photo – I would not spend my time with feedback if I would not see potential.
Same is absolutely true for me!
1 hour ago, hifred said:I believe we all should accept that there's still quite a few shortcomings in this still young suite of programs
Yes, there are some. And I think it's important to point them out to help.
I see the shortcomings in usability, not in performance issues.
1 hour ago, hifred said:While it's sure meant as a help, such tipps often imply that the user has used / set up things wrongly or that something is fundamentally broken with their hardware (and they only haven't realized yet)
I really don't see why you are so offended by this. Wow...
But yes, I have some experience in that field and also encountered similar problems myself. In my cases in the past it was once related to a PSU that did not put out enough power in some circumstances and another thing was a problem with memory timings that only occured under specific conditions. Stress tests help to figure those problems out.
1 hour ago, hifred said:Usually however, these people already have a perfectly valid benchmark: Exactly the same thing works a lot smoother, with comparable software on the same hardware – otherwise they would not speak up.
Here I still disagree with you. This is a false conclusion.
Different tools are implemented in different ways and utilize the hardware differently.
All I wanted to suggest is that it's worth checking the hardware. And the tests I mentioned can all performed in less an hour.
After that you have new data points. You can say "hey people, my PC is prime95-stable and memory memchecked".
More often than not good hardware components may not work nicely together because of misfits in the compilation.
What do you think why there are long lists of compatible memory and mainboards based on tests (not on specs)?On a MAC you don't have to care for that because you get already perfectly compatible hardware out of the box.
If you buy a Windows PC someone assembled in in a certain way and there is a lot of potential for problems.And as you mentioned problems I would suggest you too to just do a quick test of your hardware.
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1 minute ago, hifred said:
If you look around in the forum you will find quite a few posts with files which perform sluggishly or need insanely long to export, very likely also on your machine :o).
That's just guesswork.
The OP did not attach a file to compare.
I reported the experiences I had with my use cases of photo retouching.
Of course there is a chance of some layer/ feature combination that slows down the product. But I would see thst more as a bug.
If you're interested attach a file that is very slow on your PC and I report you my experience with that back.
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15 minutes ago, hifred said:
I do consider Affinity Photo very low, it is likely the lowest perforing program I have on disk.
Objection!
It's on my machine on par with Photoshop Elements 12 which is also very quick.
And I recently compared Affinity Publisher to it's contenders and found it to be the blanzingly fast.
I have a very smooth experience with the Affinity products.
The problems mentioned by the OP usually come up if something else is wrong.
Windows 10 Pro x64 (1809). Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz, 16 GB memory, NVidia GTX 780
And regarding "everything else" I found that this is not a really good data point because different programs use resources differently. That's why stress tests got invented to cover a broad spectrum of possible problems.
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Ok, welches Programm nutzt du denn genau? Das hast du immer noch nicht erwähnt.
Für die Plus Produkte findest du jedenfalls hier Hilfe: https://community.serif.com
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5 hours ago, Bobtographer said:
I think this needs a lot of work. A file that is just 7.3MB in Id (with linked graphics) is nearly 500MB in Publisher! I thought the photos were being embedded, but when I looked at the Resource Manager, it tells me that they're linked!
Currently they are always embedded.
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Naja, was heißt schon "verzichten" hier? Du nutzt doch sowieso kein Affinity Produkt sondern die alte Plus Range.
Du bist im falschen Forum für deine Frage und gibst nicht einmal an von welchem Tool in welchem Kontext du sprichst.
Finde ich halt echt verwirrend.
Und ja, das kommt nicht von mir, aber der Ton in diesem Forum ist eher direkter und rauher soweit ich das wahrgenommen habe. Du trägst da gerade übrigens ganz gut zu bei.
Du scheinst Facebook nicht zu mögen. Ich auch nicht. Siehste, haben wir doch schon mal eine Gemeinsamkeit.
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My specs are also below yours and PSE & Affinity Photo both run blazingly fast.
I would check out if the components of your computer work good together.
Memtest86 for memory, Prime95 for CPU and 3DMark for graphics are three good tools to stress test your PC.
If you have problems in your setup like a bad Power Supply Unit you will quickly find out this way.
Sometimes it's easy to fix. For example if memory timings not fit to your CPU. That can be adjusted in BIOS.
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7 minutes ago, luvis said:
I have never started a page/campaign and thought it would be a rude thing to do without the permission of Serif, and also that it might be appropriate for them to choose if they even welcome such a campaign.
Yes, of course you are right here. But I was thinking you started the topic in the context of knowing that Serif has no interest in Linux.
They already think that it will not pay back. I would be surprised if they start a funding on their own because they think it will fail.
So your attempt could have been "Serif, Please see this funding campaign which is nearly over and has the money you want. I am here to prove you wrong. Will you take the money and do it or shall I cancel the campaign?"
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12 hours ago, chakko007 said:
I didn't complain here, and i didn't complain back then. Didn't i say in my initial post that i don't complain? I am kindly asking. If that offends you, then that is neither my fault, nor my proble.
For the rest of your post: Ok, fair enough. Not sure why you choose to speak for Serif, but, OK, if it reflects the companies view on this, then that's fair enough.
Rest assured that I'm not offended.
I do not speak for Serif. I tell you what official answer I recall because you might not get a response and I wanted to help you here with information you seek.
I read your OP the way that you are angry because you paid for a product that got discontinued shortly after. It sounds the way.
But the good news is that you (highly likely) will get your discount - like everyone else.
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I like the idea!
Before opening the topic I somehow assumed you already haw set up a gofundme/kickstarter/whatever page.
You know Serif estimated once 500.000€ if I remember corectly. So you have a target.
A reaction to your post is no real commitment to actually pay. The real campaign is.
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@R C-R Thanks, I stay corrected. I thought indeed drag and drop installing was the default. I did not know of the Mac Installer App. All I need on my mac mini at work was installed via DMG. That lead me to false conclusions.
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Does that surprise you?
It's built for performance!
See yourself: To be "Lightning fast" is point number one of the Affinity vision manifest and I can also confirm that they indeed well succeded on this.
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Currently Affinity unfortunately can't use the embedded fonts in a PDF.
This has been requested in the past.
Thanks for throwing your voice in.
I hope they will enable that.
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Thanks @walt.farrell. That's what I would have wrote back.
By all the actual scammers out there Serif desevers a honourable mention that they are not.
@BitzSec: They want you to be 100% satisfied or you get your money back. And they really mean it.
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49 minutes ago, chakko007 said:
Just wondering, but, will there be something like that? The thing is, i purchased Page Plus shortly before it was discontinued, and, while i don't complain (really, i don't), it'd be great to have some kind of option to do a crossgrade to APublisher.
Just kindly asking, no pressure applied, promise.
Shortly before? I really wonder that you did not complain back than but now. Serif would have surely give you a compensation for your loss back then. They are good people.
To your suggestion: They will defintely not. Use the search on this.
Before Photo they wanted to offer that but instead they decided to give a huge discount on initial release to everyone.
It's likely that they will have a hugely discounted introduction price for everyone.
I think that's also the best thing they can do.
And you can use PagePlus further. So your money is not gone. It's a complete other product.
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Danke @v_kyr, ich war schon total verwirrt wovon er überhaupt spricht.
Kommt es mir nur so vor oder verirren sich zunehmend legacy range user hierher?
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1 minute ago, hifred said:
Wow that sucks. What if you are shooting and editing in areas where you don't have access to Internet? Thanks for letting me know.
And also I don't like to share my private personal photos with Adobe. Clouds suck.
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18 minutes ago, chakko007 said:
It may be what you want, but, i can see how portable applications are not very good for the majority of users, who don't even know their user preference, or files are in the Documents folder, or, in a folder like AppData/Roaming. Or, even, that Programs are by default installed in ProgramFiles, or ProgramFiles (x86). Or, that those folders need amin rights to write to, thus would be bad places to install portable applications, when you're logged into Windows as a normal user.
See where i'm going?
It's not just me for sure. I did not invent the concept of portable apps. I see other people did and I like it very much because I see the benefits.
The majority of users does not really care. So they even go over to actually use system default folders like "C:\Users\Steps\Documents" and so on. Pretty risky I think. I had to rescue several peoples data which actually had a non-more starting Windows (due to a virus or whatever) and had their data on the same partition as the system. I learned that this is not a good thing.
Always keep your system partition and user data separate for security reasons.
Portable apps indeed are just the extreme way to do that.
And as mentioned before Steam has as huge benefit also this portable concept. Most people I know have for that reason a separate steam partition or (in my case) even a seperate disk. So after re-installing Windows there is no need to download again all that games.
This is something you learn from experience and failing systems teach you.
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20 minutes ago, R C-R said:
I am not sure what you mean by "setup exe" here. Are you talking about installing the app or running it? As for backups, which "app data" do you mean? User space data or something the OS keeps track of when running apps?
Yes, you are not all to familar with Windows. I noticed that. That is why I tried to explain you the differences in the setup process between Windows and MacOS in a previous posting.
On MacOS the installation routine with just copy over a DMG file which is like a portable self-contained app already is the easiest model. For Windows you regulary get a setup tool that you need to execute and this will put the files for you all over the place. Some here, some there and sometimes even altering the whole OS by adding DLLs to system32.
The "app data" I meant in this case is what applications but into the user space.
In this case the folder is "C:\Users\Steps\AppData\Roaming\Affinity".
One of my problems is after trialing some apps and other usage of the PC this "AppData" thing is really messy. So I started using portable apps that give me the app itself plus it's app data in one place. I can backup and restore it together as a single zip.
And if I decide to wipe out my system there is no re-install process that takes several hours. You mentioned that before.
In my case I in the far far past I lost data due to failing hard drives or corrupted Windows installations and all sorts of that. I adapted my workflows in a way I'm completely independent of any machine or hard drive. It's all redundant and out-of-the-box deployment.
Well, not all things... Affinity needs a installation process. That's why I'm asking.
Choppy performance Issues with PC Photo
in Pre-V2 Archive of Affinity on Desktop Questions (macOS and Windows)
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Are you sure this is true? Did you check your Renderer settings?
I tried the WARP setting for a moment and get a considerable worse responsiveness.
So I'm not that sure it really has no hardware acceleration. Can you link a prove for that?