Lem3
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I'm a charter member of the "Video? Don't I need a camcorder for that?" club. I'll see what I can do.
I should point out my 8 steps have the same number of duplications (3) as your 7. The Help says it simply requires Duplicate, transform, Duplicate. Ha.
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Walt,
Thank you for all your time on this. I think we are saying the same thing in different ways: for some reason it requires three duplications of the base object to get power duplication to work. That said, your steps don't work for me. My system requires an additional step:
2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:I may have now recreated what you're seeing. These steps will work, for me:
- Start with a pixel layer.
- Make a pixel selection using one of the marquee selection tools, or freehand selection.
- Ctrl+J to duplicate the pixel selection on to a new pixel layer.
- Select > Deselect to remove the marching ants.
- Transform the object in the new layer, dragging is fine. Power duplicate will not happen without this step.
- Ctrl+J to duplicate the layer from 3 again. This new layer is simply a duplicate, it will NOT reflect the Step 5 transform.
- Drag to move the object from 6 to a different position.
- Ctrl+J to duplicate the layer from 6, and it will be a power-duplicate, moving just the way you moved the object from 7.
If I don't make some transform on the object in the first duplicate layer power duplication fails in Step 8.
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Walt,
the steps including transform with Drag were listed w-a-a-ay back near the top:
I seem to be hearing that people are following my steps precisely and getting different results. That implies the issue is with my system or Photo installation, but I have two not very similar computers behaving the same way.
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Thanks, Walt,
That may be so, but the project I'm working on requires I visually align an object with other parts of the image. The only-takes-8-seconds way of doing that is just drag it with the pen/mouse. Except both my Photo installations do not reflect the on-canvas transform upon the second duplication. Both do reflect transforms on subsequent duplications.
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43 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:
What change did you make?
I reduced the X/Y values initially showing in the transform panel by 50 px, e.g., if X was 950 I changed it to 900. The object moved accordingly.
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Thanks, David, but that doesn't work here. I made a copy of the object, transformed the copy by simply changing X and Y values in the Transform panel, then made a copy. A third layer was created but the the object was not transformed.
I found another person who had the same experience: transform of the first duplicate is ignored, transforms of subsequent duplications are observed:
I get the same behavior on two (Windows) systems here. I can't find any system settings that would affect this.
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1 hour ago, Ron P. said:
Are you clearing the Selection, ie; marching ants? It does not work the same way with a Selection. I tried 7-ways to Sunday to make it work following your directions. Not happening. I think it's designed that way. However it will if you;
- Create and fill your selection
- Deselect.
- Duplicate CTL +J
- Using the Transform Panel or Mouse, transform it/move it.
- Press CTL +J, repeating as many times as you want.
For unknown reason(s), Power Duplicate does not work with a Selection active.
Nope, that doesn't work here. Although, quite by accident, I discovered THIS works:
- Create and fill the selection
- Deselect
- Duplicate (copy 1)
- Move tool, drag Copy 1 to a new position
- Duplicate. This is copy 2, it will NOT reflect the transformation in Step 4. Not for me.
- Drag Copy 2 to a new position
- Duplicate. This is Copy 3, it (and all additional copies) will reflect the transformation in step 6.
Yes, I was careful to keep the appropriate layer selected at each step.
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8 minutes ago, Ron P. said:
My understanding from the Help File, and from experience, Power Duplication only works, when the transformation is entered into the Transform Panel OR when Dragging the duplicated object and then changing/transforming using the handles on the object.
I didn't mention it but I also tried:
Duplicate
Move tool, drag
DuplicateThe second duplication did not reflect the transform.
When the Help simply says "Transform the duplicated layer content" I assume any transformation method should work. Having written a few operational manuals I'm aware how tenuous that assumption may be!
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1 hour ago, Alfred said:
I think the ‘marching ants’ selection is getting in the way. Try deselecting before the first ‘Duplicate’ command (and then reselect, if necessary, after the last one).
Thanks for the suggestion, but the duplication still does not reflect the initial transformation.
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1 hour ago, Old Bruce said:
I think this is where you have gone wrong. Enter the numbers into the appropriate fields, the up/down left/right arrows are read as finished with each click.
Are you referring to fields in the Transformation panel? I'm not using that. I'm using the keyboard arrows to get repeatable transformations. I can, instead, make the initial transform by simply clicking on the object and dragging it to one side but duplicating the layer still results in a third layer identical to the second one.
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11 minutes ago, JulianBehr said:
Hi Komatös (nice username btw :D). What is LZW? As described above, I scan the films on a scanner (its a Kyocera TASKalfa) and send it to my work email. I mean, Photopreview of Windows can open it and I can easily put it in ImageJ and Powerpoint. Why should a professional software crash?
My copy of Photoshop won't open it either, complains that "it is not the right kind of document".
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I cannot get Power Duplicate to work in Photo 1.10.0.1127. I'm following the process in Photo Help:
- Select the layer(s).
- From the Layer menu, select Duplicate.
- Transform the duplicated layer content.
- From the Layer menu, select Duplicate. A duplicate is created and the transform is automatically applied to the duplicate.
- Repeat step 4 to create more duplicates with the transform accumulatively applied.
My steps:
- Create a pixel layer in a new document.
- Draw a selection with the rectangular marquee tool, fill with a color.
- Ctrl-J to duplicate the layer
- Use the left/up arrows to make an arbitrary transformation of the object.
- Ctrl-J again to duplicate the new layer. A third layer is created but the object is not transformed.
In addition to Ctrl-J I have used menu item Layer -> Duplicate and "Duplicate" from the layer context menu. I assume I'm missing something simple here.
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Irfanview describes it as "Old style JPEG (in TIFF)".
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Another data point. I downloaded a sample .nef file and created 50 copies to test Parallel Processing. I setup a simple Batch job as above, convert each file to jpg and save to a different location. I started the job, the first 16 files started processing: Loading, Saving JPEG, a few actually finished before the program crashed. The CPU utilization hit 100% several times during the "Saving JPEG" phase.
Further experimentation showed that (on this system) using Parallel Processing for this job with 10 or more files crashes Photo with somewhere between zero and 3-4 files saved. I'm attaching the .nef file and a few .dmp's. The process seems ok (if slow) with PP turned off.
Intel i7-11700
NVIDIA GTX 1660 Ti, 8/10/21 driver
16 GB RAMsample1.nef 8c0436d9-352e-4db3-b95f-adff8a8b1698.dmp 10735941-834b-47d9-8a96-f5a426127999.dmp 6874b18d-81b8-43e1-864c-5a05dcf0c1a2.dmp
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Use this page to search for recent NVIDIA drivers:
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Can you attach the .afphoto file that has the problem here?
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On 8/11/2021 at 11:46 AM, Ronald N. Tan said:
If anyone wants to test and see if the collapsing and un-collapsing of GROUPED LAYER has any significant affect on Photo redraw-on-screen performance. I think the test is fairly simple. On top of your Background document, preferably with images. Create a Curves adjustment layer. On this, vigorously move your mouse-hand up and down on the curve and you should see buttery-smooth redraw on the screen AND the buttery smooth of the curve reacting/responsive to your vigorous hand movements.
Here is the Test. Next, make several copies of the Curve Adjustment Layer...I am talking about 10 or 20 copies via CTRL + J. Click the newest duplicate and you should expect "lag" in both the curve responsive behavior AND the redraw/refresh on screen.
Here we diverge. I see no difference in either curve or screen response between the case with one adjustment layer and with 20. When I group all but one of the adjustment layers the response is still the same with the group collapsed (layers not showing). If I expand the group and move my hand MUCH faster than I would in normal editing I can get a little bit ahead of the system, but not by much.
Intel i7-11700, NVIDIA GTX 1660 Ti, 16 GB
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Evil Pechenka,
The current advice for working with pattern layers in 1.10:
- Do not work in CMYK
- Turn ON Hardware Acceleration (Edit -> Preferences -> Performance
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Yes, the CMYK version crashes, all the others I tried were ok. If you convert to RGB and back to CMYK it still crashes. I suspect this issue will surface with more than just pattern layers.
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4 GB? How much RAM is in use before you try to start Photo?
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@i5963c ,
Although your instructions are quite specific it may be useful (as in the other thread on this topic) if you attach the actual file you are using which generates the crash.
Also, I suggest you use the DDU tool to completely remove any remains of previous graphics drivers then install drivers fresh. Note NVIDIA released new Studio drivers on Tuesday, 8/10. -
I scaled multiple times, all using CTRL. No crashes.
Edit: A-ha. I turned OFF Hardware Acceleration and it crashed on the second scale. I can't believe I'm suggesting turning ON Hardware Acceleration to address a crashing issue. I'm turning mine back on. I don't know if it makes a difference but here Retina Rendering is set to Automatic(Best).
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The Move tool works for me. This is similar to a previous report of issues with pattern layers.
I couldn't reproduce his crash either. Intel i7-11700, GeForce 1660 Ti, 16 GB, Windows 10 Pro 20H2. Hardware acceleration is on.
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I have two computers, one (System A, ancient) displays this issue, the other (System B, three months old) does not.
System A: Intel i7-2600, AMD Radeon 6800 series, 8GB
System B: Intel i7-11700, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660Ti, 16GBSince System B uses the same GPU as DarkClown but does not have this problem, could it be a CPU limitation? Benchmark CPU results for the two computers:
System A:
Vector (Single CPU): 172
Vector (Multi CPU): 664
Raster (Multi CPU): 113
Combined (Multi CPU): 137
System B:
Vector (Single CPU): 441
Vector (Multi CPU): 2232
Raster (Multi CPU): 446
Combined (Multi CPU): 386
Power Duplicate in Affinity Photo
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That's a good idea: I'll make the recording(s) using a vector shape. That eliminates possible issues with marching ants, pixel selections, etc.
Spoiler alert: It doesn't work there either.