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    IPv6 reacted to PhilH in Affinity Photo Beta resizing document   
    In the Photo Beta (version 2.1.0.1742(Beta)) the ability to "unlink" the option to resize a document seems to have disappeared.

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    IPv6 reacted to Sean P in [AP 2.1.0.1730 mac] Selection by ctrl-click: problem with groups   
    Hi IPv6,

    I was waiting for a response, but hadn't yet had one. So I've logged it anyways As you say it would be more useful to select the entire contents of the mask!
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    IPv6 reacted to Sean P in [AP 2.1.0.1730 mac] Outliner: Layer visibility control not reachable   
    Thanks! I have gotten this logged
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    IPv6 reacted to Old Bruce in [AP 2.1.0.1742 win] Document/Canvas resize: "unlinked width/height" option missing   
    this has been reported and noted.
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    IPv6 reacted to Patrick Connor in 2.1 bug fix list   
    Here's a list of some of the bugs which have been fixed in 2.1.0.1742/1743
    The Improvements in build 2.1.0.1742/1743 are found in this improvements post 
    Please reply in this forum only to comment on any fixes which are in this list (in particular to let us know if you notice that something we say is fixed isn't!) To report any new bugs please do that against the relevant new feature post, or if unrelated to new functionality in the Other bugs & issues forum.
    Bugs affecting all platforms
    Update PANTONE Solid / Process Coated / Uncoated Tables to Version 5 Crop Tool - auto resize on rotate Brush accumulation appears broken in 1.9/2.0 [AFP-4823] Pixel Brush Tool fails to output if using Accumulation or Flow Jitter when its not 100% [AFP-3919] Time Taken to Expand Dashed Strokes Gradually Increases as Second Dash Value Decreases Eventually Causing Designer To Hang [AFD-6485] Vector Flood - click asset or stock image to add as fill Using Vector Flood Fill on text creates a Text Frame fill which cannot be removed Select Tool: Multi-selection across spreads draws incorrectly Exporting to a Raster format can incorrectly draw the Picture Frame "cross" when it is an embedded/linked Publisher file [AFB-7547] IDML import > Fill on picture frames is hidden on import [AFB-7203] UI menu capitalization inconsistencies in Menu lists [AFB-6221] Dragging an image layer on top of a picture frame won't replace the frames contents Duplicate brush category auto links it Bugs affecting Desktop (Windows and macOS)
    Keyboard input broken after altering table settings [AFB-7583] Long Plugin file paths cause the Add / Remove icons to be out of view [AFP-6094] Being prompted to save TIFF with layers or Save As even though only contains Background layer [AFP-5996] & [AFP-5635] Unable to use NumPad keys to move between Previous and Next Blend Modes [PD-379] Unable to use Ctrl+Alt to resize brush width since 2.1.0.1736 [AFP-6084] Dashed lines - make draggable values have 0.1 accuracy Make "phase" label draggable to change too Saving changes to a book chapter may cause the app to become unresponsive Inserting a cross-reference into a book chapter may crash the app Crash on save with embedded document on Master Page [AFB-7558] Books > Page Number Options > Start Numbering from Page should auto enable option if a value is changed, or values should not be editable before option is selected Starting Page Number setting lost when adding document as book chapter Section Manager > Page Number settings don't function within a chapter document from a book Identical Index markers across 2 chapters in a book use incorrect page numbers in generated index Editing shared content in the app will (temporarily) break the content in one of the secondary instances if you have two running Bugs affecting Windows
    Vector Flood Fill Tool - 'Fill to visible boundaries' button is missing tooltip on Windows Duplicate brush naming is inconsistent Using the mouse wheel to adjust colour sliders fail to apply the colour on Windows [PD-581] The pop-up menu for masks fails to highlight the list of masks correctly [AFP-6092] Dragging the label to resize a shape in Transform Panel creates hundreds of History entries The Shortcuts title bar in Settings > Shortcuts should be fixed into position [AFP-6076] Crop Tool - after not committing a rotated crop you get weird behaviour Filters menu missing Alt accessibility accelerator My Account is missing when snapped to half of the screen Vector Flood Fill Tool: One-click flooding of stock images does not work on Windows Cannot change document DPI above 400 in document setup [AFB-7528] Hang/Crash after attempting to save document with multiple documents open [AFB-7578] File is left open when editing a book chapter with a cross reference Hang - Exporting Book - All Chapters as Pages [AFB-7563] User File - Index show incorrect page numbers when used between 2 different .afpub files in a book, updating TOC provides different results depending on which option is selected Setting the numerical value of an effect using a scroll wheel increases the number but does not apply FX [AFB-7571] Bugs affecting macOS
    "Leading" label in paragraph panel incorrectly anchored [PD-532] Layer names cropped with large font size Font UI Size set to Large clips descenders in the Layers Panel [AFB-5632] Identical Index markers across 2 chapters in a book stops book from saving/generating .afbook file, freezes app on macOS Layer names cropped with large font size Add rename layer to layer menu in pixel persona Layer Visibility toggles won't show if you make the Layers Panel wider [AFP-5740] Importing .ASE files fails to import the Palette name [AFD-6537] Vector Flood - Creating multiple new bitmap fills to same object Localisation - Mac - New document - Margin Tab should be Margins [AFB-6126] Spread Setup: Unable to tab in Margins Bugs affecting iPad
    Move some options currently under group to merge layer menu Left Swipe Compound options - checkbox not updating Designer default tools Buttons at bottom of stroke panel don't work Node Snapping options are not being updated on first tap [PD-450] Renaming Swatches - dialog uses incorrect wording, the swatch name is not shown & gradient swatches are displayed cropped Unable to interact with Arrowhead controls on smaller iPads/Larger set to Display Zoom: Larger Text [PD-563] Localisation - Account screen - Button text truncated No ability to select Vectors for iPad Stock Panel  Edit menu clipped in Left-Handed Mode Convert Image Colour Space missing from PDF export Relative position of Lock Font and Traits button is misleading about which options it affects Gradient Tool causes a temporary freeze if magnifying loup appears [AFP-5684] Live Perspective Filter causes lag and leads to a crash when the magnifier appears [AFD-6470] Moving Gradient Nodes with Apple Pencil 2 after magnifier shows causes gradient stops to 'jump' & cannot be moved smoothly [AFP-5791] Unable to interact with Hole Radius, Start Angle and End Angle controls on iPad using a Mouse/Trackpad  [PD-295] Crop Tool: finger modifiers not working Crop Tool: after not committing a rotated crop you get weird behaviour Crop Tool: Offset when cropping from selection
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    IPv6 reacted to NotMyFault in [AP 2.1.0.1736] "Merge" button in Levels/Curves   
    You can use channels panel to save composite alpha as spare channel, and crate a new mask layer from it.
    This has its limits, does only work for top level, not for deeply nested sub-layers.
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    IPv6 reacted to Ski in b1732 - Minor Bug, All Apps, Missing Layer Visibility Buttons   
    Have the same issue - AP 2.1.0.1736.
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    IPv6 reacted to Patrick Connor in 2.1 bug fix list   
    Here's a list of some of the bugs which have been fixed in 2.1.0.1736
    The Improvements in build 2.1.0.1736 are found in this improvements post 
    Please reply in this forum only to comment on any fixes which are in this list (in particular to let us know if you notice that something we say is fixed isn't!) To report any new bugs please do that against the relevant new feature post, or if unrelated to new functionality in the Other bugs & issues forum.
    Bugs affecting all platforms
    Add default shortcut SHIFT+[CTRL/CMD]+R to rename layer Add default shortcut to rename layer  Rename Layer - could we initiate with double click on Artboard name  Add 'Enable associated tools' to the burger menu Crop Tool - shift constrain issues Shared content may not load or save correctly when running apps side by side Add WebP & JPEG-XL to batch export options Crop Tool - CMD shouldn't initiate straighten when over a transform handle/edge  Metadata Panel - EXIF 'Date Shot' field incorrectly re-applies the local OS time offset for images lacking timezone data [AFP-6061]  Mask gets deleted when undoing the last brush stroke [AFP-5214]  SVG code generated by ChatGPT AI crashes Affinity on open [AFD-6524]  Balanced dash lines - accept zero in 2nd and 3rd dash  SVG copy and paste by defalt [AFD-6466]  Vector Flood Fill - add a fill with click on unselected object  Exporting File Hyperlinks to PDF is escaping files/escaping them incorrectly. Pixel Brush Tool fails to output if using Accumulation or Flow Jitter when its not 100% [AFP-3919]  Text in a Placed PDF is No Longer Split by Layer making it difficult to hide individual items File size in master doc increasing inexplicably with linked files  Non supported lens Nikkor Z 26mm f/2.8 is detected as a KMZ Helios-40 85mm f/1.5 [AFP-6072]  Bugs affecting Desktop (Windows and macOS)
    Brush selection may change after switching to an associated tool when selecting a brush  Brush panel - support Grid mode for vector brushes Editing a brush selection from More Info will cause source brushes to be edited if you change the brush.  Add a manual 'Refresh' to Resource Manager (Specific) File crashes when saving after being modified [AFB-7512]  Move tool > Context toolbar > Settings button is not translated  Crash editing Running Headers with no document open [AFB-7523]  Book created in an earlier version has begun to display 'locked by another app' dialog or cause app to stop responding [AFB-7544]  Tooltip: Can the Place Image Tool be named Place Tool on desktop (to match iPad)  Brush selection may be incorrect after duplicating a vector brush Close all - should just close all files in develop [Under Review] Crash after autosave  Inconsistent visibility of the frame preset cog on the context tool bar.  When cross-references are updated during export of a book, their values disappear from publication pages Update Endnotes and Update Numbers > Note Numbers fail to respect Restart Every: Book numbering Brush panel - thumbnail view in vector brushes Bugs affecting Windows
    Asset Panel preference menu isn't being reflected correctly on Windows Crashing using books [AFB-7536]  Preferences, User Interface, Light UI: UI Brightness and Text Contrast sliders reset to defaults when we restart the app [AFP-5676]  Adding a global colour dialog allows list separator selection when using Tab key to change fields  Learned words are forgotten when document is reopened after restarting the application [AFB-7538]  Settings > Filler text is clipped on German [AFB-7534]  Dragging JpegXL creates new layer instead of dropping into frame when dropped from desktop. [AFB-7486]  Context Menu appears in top left of app if called on opened document without left clicking the layer first [AFB-7150]  Stroke Panel From Context Toolbar clipped Cannot change document DPI [AFB-7528]  Dragging Bitmap onto Tools Panel with the Vector Flood Fill switches to Move Tool Hang/Crash when dragging an FX to the Links Panel  Bugs affecting macOS
    [macOS] Artboard label font size too small Unable to edit file Hyperlinks on macOS after the first Alt-click select raster brush to not set size Swatches on FX menu displayed as an RGB preview when document is set to CMYK [AFB-7219]  Crash when closing app after collapsing EXIF/XMP fields in Detail dropdown  UI-Misalignment in text styles panels [AFB-7217]  Crash with Fields Panel and no document open [AFB-7530]  Artboard label font size too small Manually modifying AppleHighlightColor in defaults can cause app to crash on launch [PD-556]  Bugs affecting iPad
    Fonts installed from creative cloud show on context toolbar with name in Chinese [AFD-6170]  Crop Tool - (iPad) finger modifiers not working Compound icons missing  Auto flow has a missing icon for "replace existing"  File > Place from Photos uses the first file placed on that session for all subsequent place operations of that file type [AFP-6054]  Style picker - status bar copy Fields panel not switching locale after app language change  Breaks and Fields incorrectly available in Designer and Photo via keyboard  Text > Decorations > Relative to > Top and bottom selectors don't stick [AFB-7220]  It's not possible to close the Quick Menu with the Pencil's double tap feature [AFD-6499]  Navigator panel rotation lock hit area is too small  When installing add-ons, the UI says Installin... due to running out of space Localisation - Account screen - Button text truncated  Fix compact mode vector brush previews Artboard label font size too small  Delete button missing from Quick Menu  Text Capitalisations have gone missing on iPad  PDF export issue / lock up on iPad - Area dropdown does not reflect the correct state  Add 'Enable associated tools' to the burger menu  Artboard label font size too small
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    IPv6 reacted to kjdavies in Affinity Photo Bump Map using Existing Layer   
    Hi Edferg,
    I think I see a way to do what you're trying to do. You might have to dedicate a layer to your bump map, but you'll be able to edit it locally.
    Create a pixel layer, give it a solid color (I'm using a darkish green, #1d710c. Call it 'grass'. Create another pixel layer on top of that. Call it 'bumps'. This layer will get your heightmap (I used Filters -> Noise -> Perlin... and on my second try, remembered to set my colors to black and white, rather than black and dark green). Add to this second layer a Live Lighting layer of type 'Directional', with azimuth and elevation set appropriately. Set the pixel layer to 'overlay'. This gives you a layer that can provide your bump map:
    Hide the pixel layer to turn off the bumps. Hide the lighting layer (and change the pixel layer's blend mode back to Normal) to see the height map. Edit the pixel layer (height map) to change the bumps. Add a mask layer to the pixel layer (height map) to turn the bumps on and off selectively. (I tried cropping my sample file but the cropped version was bigger! So I went with the original)
    Keith
    bump map.afphoto
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    IPv6 reacted to Sean P in [AP 2.1.0.1730 mac] Outliner: Layer visibility control not reachable   
    Hi IPv6,

    Apologies for this,

    There was two issues regarding this. The first was that they don't show when a document containing Groups/Layers is opened. The second is that they also don't show if the panel is too long. 

    The first one has been fixed, and your issue was incorrectly linked to this one, but the second is still open, which is what your screenshots are showing.. I'll get them linked.
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    IPv6 reacted to v1ktor in SVG generated by ChatGPT 4 crashes Designer 2   
    You can't steal something that's in public domain. Maybe that's the case in other situations, but in this specific case that SVG is in public domain.
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    IPv6 reacted to v_kyr in SVG generated by ChatGPT 4 crashes Designer 2   
    What's scary about stolen SVG image code via an AI-bot from the net?
    You can easily tell where ChatGPT got that code (it crippled) from, namely from Wikipedia (Flag_of_the_United_States.svg) ...
    File:Flag of the United States.svg <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" width="1235" height="650" viewBox="0 0 7410 3900"> <rect width="7410" height="3900" fill="#b22234"/> <path d="M0,450H7410m0,600H0m0,600H7410m0,600H0m0,600H7410m0,600H0" stroke="#fff" stroke-width="300"/> <rect width="2964" height="2100" fill="#3c3b6e"/> <g fill="#fff"> <g id="s18"> <g id="s9"> <g id="s5"> <g id="s4"> <path id="s" d="M247,90 317.534230,307.082039 132.873218,172.917961H361.126782L176.465770,307.082039z"/> <use xlink:href="#s" y="420"/> <use xlink:href="#s" y="840"/> <use xlink:href="#s" y="1260"/> </g> <use xlink:href="#s" y="1680"/> </g> <use xlink:href="#s4" x="247" y="210"/> </g> <use xlink:href="#s9" x="494"/> </g> <use xlink:href="#s18" x="988"/> <use xlink:href="#s9" x="1976"/> <use xlink:href="#s5" x="2470"/> </g> </svg>  
    Thus I'm overall not that much impressed here!
     
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    IPv6 reacted to Tom Lachecki in SVG generated by ChatGPT 4 crashes Designer 2   
    We do support "use".
    This particular document is technically invalid SVG due to the circular reference on #s, but it seems many apps silently ignore it and proceed anyway, so that's what we'll do  
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    IPv6 reacted to Ash in 2.1 Beta Build 6 (1736) release notes   
    Hi All,
    We are pleased to make available the next update to the 2.1 beta (2.1.0.1736). This will be available for you shortly on auto-update. Below are some of the main changes in this update...
    WebP and JPEG XL now available in batch export
    As has been commonly requested since adding these new formats to V2, we have now made them available as batch format options in Affinity Photo.

    New left swipe options on iPad layers panel
    You can now access lock/unlock, rename layer and change compound type (if layer in question is a compound) by swiping left on a layer as shown below:
    RPReplay_Final1680080397.mov
     
    Brush panel improvements
    Texture brushes in Designer persona can now be viewed in thumbnail view (i.e. you now have ability to uncheck "Show as list") Alt-Click on raster brushes now changes brush while keeping your current brush width as well as ignoring associated tool. If you just want to ignore associated tool then use shift-alt-click Auto-select
    With auto select turned off you can now hold cmd (Mac/iPad) / ctrl (Windows) to temporarily turn it back on to make another selection on document.
    Also note: We have encountered some problems with auto select being off with multi-page documents. For that reason it is currently disabled with a multi-page doc, we are hoping to have a fix for this soon.
    Vector flood fill tool
    When your bucket is loaded with a colour / fill you can now just click on any object to fill it even if it is not selected. In this case this will just fill the whole object - if you want the fill tool to take into account intersecting shapes and curves they all need to be pre-selected as before. While in the tool you can now just click on an asset or stock item to load your bucket with that bitmap texture (i.e. without having to drag drop as before). This is currently only implemented on desktop, but will be added to iPad in too in the next update. There are new controls for whether you want to add as an additional fill or replace the current fill. To be honest there is still some outstanding work which needs to be done with this, so we will talk more about this / what the expected behaviour is in the next update. A new option to "fill to visible boundaries". This means if any of the objects in your selection are obscuring any line segments from other objects, these can now optionally be ignored by the tool. In the example below - without the new option checked there are 12 possible areas you can fill to, but now you can alternatively choose to just show the 6 areas on the right. 
    Crop tool
    Cmd / ctrl / shift constrain modifiers are now available when in unconstrained mode as promised.
    Dashed lines
    We now accept zero as the 2nd and 3rd dash value to give different options, particularly when in combination with balanced lines. This example was discussed on the thread - the left option begins with a dot and when balanced dots are in the rectangle corners. The right option begins with a dash, but the 2nd "dash" can now be set to a dot (zero value) to enable dashes in the corners in this case.

    Pencil double tap option for quick menu
    If menu is already visible a second double tap will now dismiss it.
    Rename Layers
    You can now double click / tap on an artboard name to rename it!
     
    Plus as usual lots of bug fixes as listed in the fix list thread!
    To comment / give feedback on any of these changes please go to the relevant thread for that feature which is linked to in each of the headings above.

    Thanks,
    Ash
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    IPv6 reacted to Bartosz Borecki in Error in the Layer Effects panel when entering values with the mouse wheel Windows 11   
    I've noticed the same thing recently. Does not work in Photo and Designer beta 2.1.0.1732 on Windows 10.
    However, wheel is working correctly in Quick FX panel, but does not work in Layer Effects window, same behaviour for all sliders among all effects.

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    IPv6 reacted to lepr in AD and AP Beta 2.1.0.1713 (Mac)- Accumulation is broken...   
    @Serif Info Bot What is meant by "fixed"?
    In 2.1.0.1732 on macOS, accumulation is still acting the same as flow when a brush has no hue, saturation or luminosity jitter. 
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    IPv6 reacted to Chris B in [AP 2.1.0.1730 win] Dropdown focus problems break hotkeys workflow   
    Hey IPv6,
    Thank you very much for checking all this. I know there were a couple of areas but didn't realise the extend. I'll get this added to the report.
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    IPv6 got a reaction from Old Bruce in [AP 2.1.0.1730 win] Dropdown focus problems break hotkeys workflow   
    The problem mentioned here - https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/181539-2101706-win-dropdown-focus-problems-break-hotkeys-workflow/ - still persist in some areas. Making changes in tool toolbar breaks hotkeys until focus removed, and focus can not be removed easily. Please note that click on canvas as a way to remove focus is NOT convininent, since the very reason to use hotkeys after changing tool settings is to adjust brush to proper values. Meaning the first click will always be "wrong" and require Ctrl-Z
    - Gradient tool - context and type dropdowns
    - Mix tool - checkboxes "Auto load brush" and "Auto Clean Brush"
    - Brush Tool - blend modes dropdown, checkboxes "Protect Alpha" and "Wet edges", checkboxes "Mirror" and "Lock"
    - Erase tool - checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Wet edges"
    - Smudge tool - checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Wet edges"
    - Pen tool - checkboxes "show orientation" and "use fill" (use can not change active tool by hotkey after ticking this checkboxes)
    - Pixel brush tool - blend modes dropdown, erase mode dropdown (alternate), checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Protect Alpha"
    - Patch tool - source dropdown, checkboxes "Selection is source", "Texture only", "Dropdown"
    - Freehand selection tool - type dropdown
     
     
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    IPv6 got a reaction from Chris B in [AP 2.1.0.1730 win] Dropdown focus problems break hotkeys workflow   
    The problem mentioned here - https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/181539-2101706-win-dropdown-focus-problems-break-hotkeys-workflow/ - still persist in some areas. Making changes in tool toolbar breaks hotkeys until focus removed, and focus can not be removed easily. Please note that click on canvas as a way to remove focus is NOT convininent, since the very reason to use hotkeys after changing tool settings is to adjust brush to proper values. Meaning the first click will always be "wrong" and require Ctrl-Z
    - Gradient tool - context and type dropdowns
    - Mix tool - checkboxes "Auto load brush" and "Auto Clean Brush"
    - Brush Tool - blend modes dropdown, checkboxes "Protect Alpha" and "Wet edges", checkboxes "Mirror" and "Lock"
    - Erase tool - checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Wet edges"
    - Smudge tool - checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Wet edges"
    - Pen tool - checkboxes "show orientation" and "use fill" (use can not change active tool by hotkey after ticking this checkboxes)
    - Pixel brush tool - blend modes dropdown, erase mode dropdown (alternate), checkboxes "Mirror", "Lock", "Protect Alpha"
    - Patch tool - source dropdown, checkboxes "Selection is source", "Texture only", "Dropdown"
    - Freehand selection tool - type dropdown
     
     
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    IPv6 reacted to Sean P in [AP 2.1.0.1730 mac] Outliner: Layer visibility control not reachable   
    Hi IPv6,

    This is something we do already have logged, and happens when you open a document containing Groups or Layers (potentially with no other documents open).
    I'll get it bumped. 
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    IPv6 reacted to Sean P in [AP 2.1.0.1730 mac] Outliner: Layer visibility control not reachable   
    Just to add if you adjust the Panel width they should re-appear.
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    IPv6 reacted to Ash in Creating a mask now requires two clicks?   
    Hi - in the latest 2.1 beta we have now reverted behaviour of the mask button in the layers panel back to the same as V1. So one click to add mask, alt-click to add empty mask. There are more details in the post below and it would be great if you wanted to try it out in the beta and let us know what you think - you can sign up to the beta program here.
     
     
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    IPv6 reacted to Ash in Adjusted mask behaviour   
    I think our sense was that normal masks and empty masks are probably used by most people 10x, 100x more frequently than the other much more specialised / niche use cash masks. For that reason we are much better off getting rid of the extra clicks for the standard masks, even if it makes it slightly less convenient to add the other mask types.
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    IPv6 reacted to Ash in Adjusted mask behaviour   
    Yes correct. 
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    IPv6 reacted to Ash in Adjusted mask behaviour   
    Apps: Affinity Photo / all
    Platforms: Windows, macOS and iPad
    Affinity Photo: Mask button on layers panel
    In Version 2 we added the new functionality of being able to apply live range masks (Hue, Luminosity and Band-Pass) as well compound masks to Affinity Photo. As well as being available from the top Layer menu, we also included them in a new drop down when you click the mask icon in the layers panel. 
    Helpful feedback has informed us that this drop-down menu is more of a hindrance than anything (as most users just want to add a mask much more frequently than any of the other options). For this reason we have reverted to making single click on the mask button just add a mask. If you want to access the other mask options from the layers panel button you can now do that using Alt+Click.
    Assistant auto mask placement (all apps)
    When:
    Adding mask layer to selection = Add mask based on selection
    Within assistant options, the logic is that if the current selection isn't a mask then the mask layer gets placed as a child, but if the current selection is a mask the new mask layer gets placed above. However this was treating both Adjustment Layers and Live Filter layers as Masks for this purpose which was incorrect. Basically now if you have your assistant setting to this and you have either an adjustment or live filter layer selected, the new mask will be added as a child of those layers rather than placed above.
    Again we think this is the correct logic and matches feedback we have seen, but let us know what you think.
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