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16 minutes ago, Snapseed said:
I am sorry but whatever way it is measured, Linux on the general desktop is still way behind the market share of macOS and anything else is a denial of factual reality. Yes, I know that 100% of all top supercomputers now use Linux (seems to be mostly RHEL) and that Linux has completely displaced Unix but you don't use or require Affinity Photo or Photoshop on such supercomputers.
But on the other hand, the percentage of the linux users interested in professional software like Affinity products, is for sure much higher than of the windows users, as most windows users use their pc to write a letter and surf the internet.
Much more linux users by percentage of all linux users are on a more professional level on using computers and have a need for more software in all directions.
Even more mac users by percentage of all mac users are especially (originally) more on a design level and working with photo editing, design and so on.
But as @Michael Tunnell told already, the facts we can only get by doing focused research and actions on this topic. So i don't like to talk about what could be ... but to talk about, what we can do right now. -
Now we are in the top 10 of WineHQ! (at 8!)
https://appdb.winehq.org/votestats.phpPlease continue voting here after registration, and don't forget to mark the 3 checkboxes when submitting your vote!
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=39311
And continue asking your friends to vote!
Thank you all!
- Renzatic and Bez Bezson
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I am afraid that the survey system of WineHQ has not been properly understood by some.
For example, i told many people to register and give 3 votes, after 5 of them replied, that they had voted, there were only about 6 more votes.
You need to ensure, when voting, to enable all 3 checks before submitting.
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50 votes already!
Keep up and tell your (linux) friends to register and vote as well and we will push Affinity Photo on the first place within a week!Affinity Photo page on WineHQ:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=39311- Bez Bezson, Snapseed and Redsandro
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14 minutes ago, Bog said:
Btw one foreseeable drawback to this plan of voting for Photo even though we want Designer is that others who aren't tuned in to our strategy will look at that and just go "I'm good with gimp, why bother with this?"
Then they should rather still vote for Designer than not vote at all.
But if they also recognize, that the chances for Designer increases, if they vote for Photo, they might vote for Photo as well as I did. -
1 hour ago, m.vlad said:
You don't get it, affinity photo already has the bugs attached to it. The Affinity suite has the same core code, and it's that code that's bugging out (working on the artboards, making new documents). I have barely used affinity photo myself and i'm also an affinity designer user mainly but consider this: if hypothetically no one here has an account before now, and they use their vote for this only, we only need 130 more people to vote (AP has 18 votes at the time of this comment). If we split the votes up it's more than double that to get both to 407 and even more if we also have publisher people vote for that app separately.
For this purpose of porting the suite, one app should cover most bases as they share a large chunk of their code. That's why I said earlier to keep the votes contained in one app, not because I'm a Photo user.You convinced me to vote for Photo. Since you can change your 3 votes at will for any product, it was no problem to change that.
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1 hour ago, m.vlad said:
you have a limited amount of votes, instead of spreading them throughout the suite let's keep the votes contained in the same app, the one that Redsandro linked. The issue is most likely the same across the board but it'll take us longer to get there if we spread out the votes
That's true, but i need the Affinity Designer much much much more than the Affinity Photo.
Photoshop CS5 has Platinum at wine and runs fine. So you all can get a license for Photoshop CS5 and run at Linux.
And many other versions have Gold. That's because Photoshop is the second most voted application on wine!
Illustrator has Platinum for Version 8.0 only (Which had been released at 1998!) and most versions are Garbage rated.
So it is only just fair, that everybody votes for his needs. Don't be angry ... better than no votes at all!
But as there are many Photoshop versions already running fine, I think the demand for Designer is greater by far.
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I voted as well, but for Affinity Designer:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=37277
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Serif could make sure or at least support that their programs "coincidentally" work very well with Wine, but offer no support for Linux.
They could then act as if they knew nothing about it. The Linux and Wine community would be responsible for it at their own.
Like Adobe with Photoshop CS5 for example, that has Platinum rating for Wine ... but Illustrator CS5 has Garbage.
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Just now, Bog said:
When you say "more likely to put money towards" do you mean buy or donate? To Gimp you'd be donating, please tell me you wouldn't "donate" to Affinity Photo.
Unfortunately you can not explicitely donate for GIMP, it's donate button goes to the GNOME Foundation. So the money might have been put more in to GNOME / GTK than GIMP ... and may explain, why GIMP is not pushed that much. But I did a donation anyway a few days ago.
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I decided to go for Inkscape (again) instead of Affinity Designer a few weeks ago and just made a donation to them.
My rarely use of Affinity Photo will be done by GIMP (again) in future. I made a donation for them as well.
And I'm going to use Scribus (again), if i might need some DTP again, but that happens all few years.
If Serif doesn't want to go to linux, we can support the products, that are available on linux to get better.
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On 11/9/2020 at 2:34 PM, wonderings said:
I do not think porting is the real issue, it is everything that comes after with supporting another OS. Windows and Mac have a huge user base, Linux is smaller and even smaller would be the creatives using a version of Linux.
What do you think is the real issue after?
Even when only the current version would work fine, the linux user might accept, if there is only one fix release once a year.
I don't like people who are to much focused about reasons against solutions, against dreams, in that case against a linux version. I prefer focusing on solutions, not problems. Because i love solutions, not problems.
If you try to find solutions you will find solutions. If try to find problems you will find problems.I wrote a mail to the CodeWeaver customer service asking why there is no affinity designer working yet and got the following response:
QuoteThanks for writing us. I will forward this on, but in the meantime the best way to register your interest in Affinity Designer on Linux is to vote for support in our Compatibility Database https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/affinity-designer
The voting function at their compatibility is very rarely used, because you need to have an unexpired crossover licence connected with your account to vote for an app.
Designer has 5 votes yet, the highest voted application has only 14 votes! So if you have an unexpired account, you know what to do right now!
Alongside they have an forum where we can ask for compatibility of Affinity Products!
So me may buy the products next time at CodeWeavers again, if we already have a windows version.
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On 9/15/2020 at 1:07 AM, Snapseed said:
Your best option there is probably to contact CodeWeavers, the company that produces CrossOver (tl;dr commercial Wine), and ask what them what the state of progress is on the Affinity software range. They have a specific Contact CodeWeavers option on their website.
You are right, their offer on their website:
QuoteWith our Professional package we’ll spend up to 20 hours assessing if your Windows software can be ported, analyze the work that needs to be done to successfully port your software and identify any Windows licensing restrictions. We will then provide a quote for the port, and a proof-of-concept of the software program supported on Mac and/or Linux, if possible.
https://www.codeweavers.com/portjump
This would give Serif the opportunity to give an insight without much risk and with minimal effort whether a simple "port" might be possible without much effort.
For me this is by far the most realistic possibility to realize a Linux version without much effort!
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The full performance might not be necessary like the Windows games running on Proton. 10% less performance does not matter. Even some windows applications run on the same performance or above, since Proton wraps the DirectX directly to the Vulkan-API.
Valve might be interested to support other software beneath games as well. Could be a new business model of valve at all to make popular end user software available for linux.
Serif on the other hand might only distribute their "linux windows version" at Steam for little effort and check so the demand of their product on the linux market.
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As china is currently developing its own operating system alternative to Microsoft Windows and MacOS based on linux, the china market may move more to linux at all.
Many customers there might ask for a linux version in future as well. Fortunately, Affinity isn't a U.S. product, so it may not be forbidden too early.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Operating_System
I'm sure - ok only hopening - Affinity is working on a linux version for Version 2.x of the Affinity products.
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42 minutes ago, Blende21 said:
Apple would not move away from Intel if there would not be a clear perspective to serve the professional community that is the core of Mac business.
I observed the whole opposite within the last years. Apple is moving more and more into mass market making professional users more and more unhappy. Especially in software development, where had been a great increase in software developers the years before.
Only the graphic and design area seems still to get seriously respected by apple.
For software developers who did not fell in love with apple and just want a good choice to work, apple became more and more a unserious lifestyle product.
The same happens with Microsoft Windows 10, so more and more software developers move to linux.
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Another idea. Why don't we just ask the Wine developers for how much for a kickstart campaign they would integrate support for Affinity products?
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Same here. I have the windows version of the affinity triple.
Would buy the linux version again, even for twice as much of the costs.
- MeatRadiator and Andy2
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Relating to this topic ...
QuoteValve drops support for SteamVR on macOS to focus on Linux & Windows
Today Valve made quite a big announcement about the future of VR, including an entire platform being dropped.
In a really short post on the official SteamVR page on Steam, Valve said "SteamVR has ended OSX support so our team can focus on Windows and Linux." with there now being a legacy branch of SteamVR for macOS. This is not long after the release of SteamVR 1.11, the "Spring Cleaning" update on April 20.
Seems odd to see such a big shift announced so abruptly, with no other reasoning. Worth noting though, Valve's own hardware with the Valve Index was never stated as supported on macOS, only "Windows 10, SteamOS, Linux". It's always sad when a platform gets support for anything dropped, which we as Linux gamers know too well, but in this case it's actually a boost for Linux for once.
With Valve now having more resources for Linux (and Windows), we might now see an increase in attention on SteamVR for Linux which has been quite rough. It's also great to see other areas of Valve call out Linux specifically as being a focus for them. We also have the Linux version of Half-Life: Alyx with Vulkan support coming hopefully sometime soon.
Since Linux is open source, as are the drivers for AMD and Intel, it makes sense to continue Linux support. Valve can (and already do) experiment a lot with Linux and pay contractors to work on various things. At times, they can do things quicker on Linux than they can on Windows (and vice versa - some bits don't work on Linux).
As of the March data from the monthly opt-in Steam Survey, 1.29% of people surveyed had a VR kit. The most popular being Oculus Rift S with the HTC Vive close behind. The Valve index already captured quite a big chunk though too at over 10%.
What about a partnership of Affinity with Valve? Valve may be interested to push their SteamOS (Linux) with great media software.
Their WINE based PROTON is heavily under development, in a partnership valve could make it compatible and to work with the Affinity products.
- D’T4ils and MeatRadiator
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Hello everybody!
Due to the trade war between the USA and China, Huawei has started to deliver its laptops with Deepin Linux.
And now China has recently decided to promote its own operating system on the basis of Deepin Linux, which will completely replace Windows in the next few years in the offices in China.
It is called UOS (Unified Operating System) and the first version will be released in a few days, on January 20, 2020.
It remains to be seen whether it will also be used outside China. It is quite conceivable that Asia, perhaps Russia or even the EU, will be inspired by it and could further detach itself from Microsoft with its own Linux variant.
For Affinity, however, the Chinese market may soon be equated with Linux.
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Hi guys,
i think at the moment serif is focusing on affinity publisher ... and maybe another adobe killer after. Because there is a much more bigger market for new Adobe killers than a linux port at the moment. Maybe later, if the adobe palette is finished, there may be a more serious thought about linux. Don't ask how many years ...
But I think there is currently another realistic option to get affinity on the Linux desktop.
Ask the wine community ... do a crowdfunding for WINE (developers) to make the affinity products run on linux!
A good annual salary would be enough to put one experienced wine developer to make it run. We would even not need 500.000$.
What do you think about that?
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2 hours ago, Keith Reeder said:
A complete irrelevant analogy.
Linux has had more than enough time by now to have proven itself as The Next Big Thing.
Unlike the internet and smartphones, it has singularly, self-evidently failed to do so.
QED.
Linux is not the big thing, it is a grown Alternative that got mature.
Since Microsoft is making Windows (with Win10) very unpopular with its policies anyway, the desire for real alternatives is greater than ever.
Affinity products on Linux would be a big thing.
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18 hours ago, Medical Officer Bones said:
This is not a matter of simple "chicken or the egg". If that were so, someone would have released a successful high level design application on Linux by now.
Bill Gates said, that no one will ever seriously need internet.
How many people said, when Steve Jobs presented the smart phone, that the smartphone will end up in a niche product (like here people talk about linux).
The truth is, we never know.
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I just removed my linux os from my laptop (went away when windows 10 screamed me 2 years ago) a few days ago, installing Windows 10, to get the affinity products running.
It was unbearable for me to work with it. In my opinion it's non-professional to work with it. It's more like a alpha of some (failing) experiment.
It became even worse than it was about 2 years ago.Two days Later is installed Windows 7 and now i can work ... but Windows 7 Support will end in 2020.
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Since I've been watching Valve for quite some time, the idea came to me of whether Affinity could partner with Valve. Valve is interested in becoming independent from Windows (Microsoft). For this purpose, "Proton", an extended WINE for Steam, has been available for four months. Under www.protondb.com there is a community platform, on which the executability of games is documented.
With Valve as a direct partner, the affinity products could be made executable accordingly.
The Affinity products would be a great move to also have a potential program as a showpiece. I expect Valve to work with game developers to make the games executable. Serif could do the same with its affinity products.
A deal would have to be for Valve to promote this port accordingly. It's quite possible, however, that Valve would like to do the exclusive distribution for Linux via Steam for one year in return.
This joint project between Serif and Valve would be good marketing at all for all affinity products, even far beyond Linux, and would also open up new target groups (gamers), although many also need such products. Just think of the web designers of the clan websites ... and so on ...
Wouldn't it be interesting for Serif to check out Valve?
Might be a win-win-deal for Serif and Valve.
Affinity for Linux
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They are officially supported. So you do not need to try any of them. That's the whole point behind official support.
Guys, keep up voting and ask for votings at wineHQ!
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=39311
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