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  1. 13 hours ago, R C-R said:

    Did you miss the following from my earlier reply?

    No, but I didn't played with your file, and effectively, it's a bug. The small MP should only apply to pages of its size, or add pages if its size when we use it with the option "Add pages".

    A MP shouldn't behave like an object (group, imported file, etc.). That's why they are locked on pages of the same size. (But we can select all the items of a MP, copy and paste them on a page of a different size, and resize them if needed.)

    The interesting point here, is about different MP size: perhaps soon, we'll be able to have different page' sizes and we'll be able to create cover + spine in the same document, or project with different page size for adds campain easily in APub, instead of using AD (using StudioLinks, and all the specific features of APub).

    As said by @thomaso, using MP as MP is better in a workflow.

     

    13 hours ago, R C-R said:

    As for using linked files instead, there are times when someone might want to avoid using them, like if there is no HD/server available

    In fact, you alway have your HD on your computer :) But you don't need to have the linked files to work away from your main computer (you only need them to create a nice PDF to send to the client, but you'll have preview of the images, and the text: the main problem is having the fonts on the other(s) computer(s)). A file with only linked images isn't huge: you can send it by email, put it on a server for someone else to work on (read or correct some errors, etc.). We do it all the time, with no problems depending of different internet providers and slow connexions…

    This way, you can work on the text and someone can work to improve pictures or finish illustrations of other graphics… or you can work separately on the graphics independently. Later, you'll open the main document and update the links.
    There are few cases when embedding everything is usefull, and it's usually small files => with this, you need an important command: the possibility to unembbed them.

    An actual problem with Affinity files: they are huge files.

     

    6 minutes ago, R C-R said:

    What happens when you do step 5?

    It seems to delete the MP, and since there's no more MP, the orange banner stay and can't be "finished"... But we can add items on the page, diplay the MP or change page.


  2. 14 hours ago, R C-R said:

    So I see no reason why I should not be able to use a master page this way.

    At first, master pages look like AD Symbols. But since we can switch to AD persona and use Symbols, it would be better to do so.

    But unless the "logo" is more a part of a document repeated on different pages, importing a file is a better workflow for usual logo. Those files, stored in a specific part of our HD/server, can be imported by all in new documents when needed. And hopefully exported for archiving those documents when the option will be available.
    When a new version of the logo is made —it happens every few years with important firms—, we can replace/add it in the  HD/server, and it's easy to update the link or replace the linked file in APub document (assuming each finished version of the documents are archived, and an old version/template is opened and updated for next issue).

    Symbols and assets are usefull, but linked files are time savers, and don't need to open a file again (and remember/find which one) when needingto use an element/logo, or need to be exported (assets) when switching user/computer.


  3. On 6/5/2019 at 5:50 PM, MikeW said:

    The purpose of PDF as defined first by Adobe and then by the ISO Committee that took over the specification has never changed.

    Yes.

    The problem is customers send us PDF and ask later to correct/modify them… but they do this also with flatened images :S 

    It would be usefull if AP (?) was able to open a PDF converting text to pixels, AD (?) was able to open them converting text to curves and APub (?) with passthrough. If we want to keep the same dinstinctions as some other products, or better: if the 3 options were available for the 3 apps. 


  4. Hi @KCP

    As explain in the second post, the compound is only a visual help to know which object you need to substract, which one to add, and it can help at the begining to find which objects (rectangles, rings…) you'll need at which size to create a final object with efficiency. (But trial and error  + ctrl+z get the same result :) )

    Using the alt key will create a compound, and we don't want one!

     

    You need to copy-paste (out of it) all the elements of the compound object before adding/substracting them, or to release the compound to get them (right-click menu or main Layers menu).


  5. 1 hour ago, thomaso said:

    The current problem would not be solved at all if the hidden half would not exist on a document page, it might make things even worse, because then, on a left > right page switch, the software would not know which one of possibly several master pages should apply now to replace the formerly left page.

    No. There's only one reference: the master pages. The app don't have to know anything but to apply left page MP to left pages and right page MP to right pages.

    If elements from the previous MP are different or modified, it keeps them without modifying them, and apply the correct half of the new MP.

    If the app is smarter, it'll be able to reconize the same element (i.e.: title frame or/and text content frame) positionned on a left or a right page, and move/position them accordingly if a left page become a right page (or reverse). I think ID use the margins or column grid this way: to keep and position main text frames inside the margins of the pages when a left/right page become a right/left page.

     

    Why I don't want half hidden MP? Because they are hidden, and with this bug they end up hidden out of the working area. Imagine one of those elements was modified before a page was added, using a bugged image, or a bugged or missing font, or whatever problem that prevent you to export your file, with an alert of a error that you won't be able to solve because you can't see or access those hidden frames easily (once you've understood they exist and are cause of the trouble!)?
    It's why I always disable the option to draw a text frame with the text tool in QXD or ID. It can add empty text frames using missing or bugged font. This sort of app is prone to have bugs. The simpler some elements of operation are, the better.

    Another problem with this:

     

    About the bug:

    1 hour ago, thomaso said:

    1.)  In Document Setup the Default master checkbox 765120427_defaultmastercheckbox.jpg.16287aee4cfb00ebff9fbdeade13e829.jpg creates a master as 1 spread, not as single pages.  [ < which is sense- & helpful ]

    In ID, there's always an empty single and blank MP in a document. Perhaps the Mother of all pages? :) I don't know why, and I use it as a MP eraser when I want to delete all MP elements of a page. But you've got a double pages (spread) MP too if the document use double pages. I don't use it as a real MP, with elements, so I don't know how it should behave in other situations.

    1 hour ago, thomaso said:

    3.)  A page move within the document has NO problem to auto-switch the masters margins correctly according to the new page position but only to switch its objects positions accordingly, means the software is aware well about left/right of the moved page but "just" ignores the page content.  [ < which is the bug ]

    Yes, that's a bug. But it shouldn't switch object position, but switch MP (left or right).
    If the MP's objects were modified, they should stay on the page, at the same position (we have to correct/move them if needed, but the app can't know what to do with them).

    For main frame texts: from ID (and QXD from memory) those are unique* frames by page, that cover the area inside the margins of the page.
    Those frames will stay in the area inside the margins, and be moved accordingly if switched to left/right pages.
    Inserting text in a main text frame, adding/shortening its height shouldn't be considered as a modification, modification is if it was moved from x or y position, or if its width is modified*.

     

    * QXD was working like this, and it was better than ID (and perhaps they improved it and I miss it!), and it was possible to have more than 1 main frame.


  6. 5 hours ago, carl123 said:

    reapplying the Master which automatically replaces itself would delete all your text on all 100 pages.

    When I tested this (creating a book with +250 pages using the same master page), and applying a different master page to pages (beginning of chaper or beginning of parts of the book): APub didn't know what to do. It replaced the old master page, but didn't linked the text, this one was flowing on the next page (and there was 1 page of overflowing text at the end). I simply had to link again this new page in the flow.

    The only problem was (but perhaps it's my error), it wasn't able to reflow all the pages, but only the right ones. Since I was adding frames on each page to add footnotes, I didn't mind relinking frames at the same time. I'll have to test again with the latest versions.


  7. 10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

    For example?

    When you're working on a magazine, and you just need to re-apply the master page to get back part of the objects that should be static but were modified previously for different purposes (that don't apply anymore) or by error.

    With the 2 Master pages on the same page, you'll be able to select which objects you want to keep or delete.

    In APub, we can "see" the 2 Master pages applied in the layer panel. In other apps, we can't see them, we only have original objects at the bottom + modified and unlocked ones above to sort. If we try to apply again the master page in those apps, it'll replace the locked items of the previous master page by the locked items of the new master page, keeping the unlocked and modified objects, and not linking the text.

    APub permit to apply different master pages to a page: it can be tricky for us, and it certainly is difficult to code (diffferent options and behaviors). Usually, it's more like a parent-child relation between master pages (the child inherit the parent objects, and those can be modified or deleted on the child). And only one master page applied to a page.

    With APub, we can have parent-child master pages or multiple master pages applied to another one, and multiple master pages on a page: difficult to decide if it'll be better to have the ones or the others. (And taking notes while testing is better, since I already tested it and can't remember what was better… perhaps parent-child master pages, since applying another master page on a page can erase previously applied ones, and sometimes you want to only replace one of them if there are more than one on a page.)


  8. The compound object* show which objects to add or substract to the original ring (in the same order, preferably).

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    Next, you adjust the nodes and curves:

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    * In this case, we can't use a compound as final object since we can't have different colours in a compound object.

    Now, we can either:

    • Cut to pieces the G shape and colour the parts (v2 in my file)
    • add shapes of different colours inside the G shape (v1)

    For cutting the pieces (v2):

    • I draw the shape I need
    • I select the G and this shape and I use "divide": I end up with 4 shapes (coloured now: yellow, brown, tan and pink)
    • I delete the un-needed pink one

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    …and need to divide again the bottom of the G to have the 4 final parts of the logo.

     

    Or you can use the pen to draw shapes, colour them and put them inside the G like in the v1 example of my file.

     


  9. Nice one.

    But I'm not fond of the cloud, since they are of nearly similar size, similar places, and are not really part of the logo. Are they going away on in? And since there are elements out of the main circle, why not the important part of this logo: the man skiing? For now, he's more like a detail than the main subject: skiing in the mountains.


  10. 7 hours ago, R C-R said:

    with the other Affinity apps I never expected everything to work the same way as in other apps of the same general kind. 

    Having revolutionary workflow and making errors are different.

    Using left and right pages master pages is needed because of specific margins inside/outside and bleed at the exterior of the pages. That's why those master pages can't be reversed. If someone need them the other way, they'll have to add a new master page and paste and adjust objects so margins and bleed is correct and their manufacturing manager or printer (not sure of the translation: "chef de fabrication" and "imprimeur") won't call them to ask the file to be corrected since it's not suitable for print with those beginner errors.

    We have double master pages, but they should work like this: whatever page you select to apply on a page of your document (you can/should be able to do it in a hurry), only the left page will be applied on a left page, and the right one on a right page.

    When we'll be able to have more than 2 pages on a spread, perhaps we'll need the option to select which one we want to apply, or we'll be able to drag another page at this position. In ID there are options to reorder specific spreads  in the document. It can be usefull if you need to have more than 2 pages on a spread, or when you need to begin your document with the last page (for cover using a same photo/illustration on cover 1 and 4: your document need to begin on the last left even page).

     

    Here some examples to understand why left and right pages can't be messed, but you need to be able to add a page (left tor right) if a part is longer, without messing the other ones and without needing to apply again the master pages.

    Perhaps it's difficult to understand when looking at novels, but with magazines or complexe books it's visibly more logical.

    • If there's only single main text frames and linked ones on the pages, the app should be able to keep the flow and design when adding a page (example 1).
    • If the document is too complexe or modified (adding text and images in the frames, resizing them...), each modified elements on a page will flow to the next page and all the ones that weren't modified will be replaced by the ones of the master pages (other examples).
      => We'll have to adjust manually those elements. (From memory, QXD was better to manage this than ID is, with smarter master pages).
    • If the app can't link the new text frames of the new page to the ones of the previous/next pages because they were modified too much, empty text frames of the master page will be added, we need to link them manually. It's a safe way to add pages without messing the real/already made content. For now, APub work ± like this.

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    9 hours ago, thomaso said:

    Perhaps one reason for our different views is that I have used 1 master page only (a spread of 2 pages) – whereas you possibly use 2 master pages, for left/right separately?

    That's the usual way to work, since elements can be common or cross the full spread. But the app should only apply half of the elements depending of the left/right page they are on, + the common ones (that we need to modify manually or that should be automatically cropped). Having the whole spread applied with part of it on the second page (but locked) can add errors and perhaps slow down the app.

     

    @R C-R Nice of you to test more! Since I was ready to click on "submit reply" when you posted, I'll do it since it can help understand how we use master pages instead of deleting part of my reply  :)


  11. 17 hours ago, R C-R said:

    I do not understand why this is surprising.

    I understand that you don't understand since you're not working usually with this kind of applications.

    But it's the beauty and usefullness of master pages to regulary keep on applying left master page to left pages and right master pages to right pages, moving the text frames accordingly.

    At least with pro programs as QXD and ID (I don't work/worked with other ones). And it's the core function of master pages. Or we woudln't be able to work on monthly 112 pages reviews or annual books of 200+ to 740+ pages without heart attack or pull out hair!

    This is a major bug in APub that should be adressed.

    Now, usually, I try to avoid adding 1 page only to a book, especially at the beginning, and try to add at least by 2 pages, to avoid blank pages since I usually keep first pages of chapter on the right pages. If needed I add some pages at the begining and at the end of the document (usually a total of pages multiple of 4 is needed, sometimes of 8 on huge documents, or they'll add blank pages: it's better to have content everywhere).

     

    3 hours ago, thomaso said:

    Who has more right for the shorter abbr.: AP or AfP ...? :ph34r: 

    We used to talk about AD (Affinity Designer) and AP (Affinity Photo) for long here before came APub (Affinity Publisher), so the distingo should be APub ;)

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