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Well we did ask them to commit to a perpetual license model. I totally get the pessemism around that pledge. We have all been stung in the past by similar pledges. However all we can do now is continue on and wait and see what happens. I'm not going to bother learning new software just yet. V2 is still being developed and at least for me is able to do all I need to do in this vein. It will be several years before I will need to worry about upgrading.
I'm a cynical bugger by nature but I can be hopeful. Fingers crossed this time the company is telling the truth. It's not like we don't already have enough to be stressed about these days. Let's not add to it if we don't have to.

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

Well we did ask them to commit to a perpetual license model. I totally get the pessemism around that pledge. We have all been stung in the past by similar pledges. However all we can do now is continue on and wait and see what happens. I'm not going to bother learning new software just yet. V2 is still being developed and at least for me is able to do all I need to do in this vein. It will be several years before I will need to worry about upgrading.
I'm a cynical bugger by nature but I can be hopeful. Fingers crossed this time the company is telling the truth. It's not like we don't already have enough to be stressed about these days. Let's not add to it if we don't have to.

Well we did ask them to commit to a perpetual license model. I totally get the pessemism around that pledge. We have all been stung in the past by similar pledges. However all we can do now is continue on and wait and see what happens. I'm not going to bother learning new software just yet. V2 is still being developed and at least for me is able to do all I need to do in this vein. It will be several years before I will need to worry about upgrading.
I'm a cynical bugger by nature but I can be hopeful. Fingers crossed this time the company is telling the truth. It's not like we don't already have enough to be stressed about these days. Let's not add to it if we don't have to.

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

Well we did ask them to commit to a perpetual license model. I totally get the pessemism around that pledge. We have all been stung in the past by similar pledges. However all we can do now is continue on and wait and see what happens. I'm not going to bother learning new software just yet. V2 is still being developed and at least for me is able to do all I need to do in this vein. It will be several years before I will need to worry about upgrading.
I'm a cynical bugger by nature but I can be hopeful. Fingers crossed this time the company is telling the truth. It's not like we don't already have enough to be stressed about these days. Let's not add to it if we don't have to.

I'd buy it now. It could be years before it might change and it would be years you can't get back struggling with poor software or else paying the Adobe tax. $114 for apps of this quality is a steal. Especially Publisher, which I am beginning to like more than InDesign, as Adobe has let InDesign whither.

Funny you say that, as i looked at it 2 days ago and saw how well they're doing. Almost gave me the will to learn it... but pfff, too old, too hard, haha. After 25 years of illustration, i'm now a carpenter, and happy with it. And no IA can do my job (for now...). This IA thing is really something you graphists have to worry about, and i've seen Canva is already in it, which is frightening for the future of softwares "made for artists".
Seen a very interesting video about this : AI vs Artists - The Biggest Art Heist in History 
If creativity is killed by IA, then humankind is out...
I sincerely wish you creative guys the best of luck. Subscription is the last of your worries...

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

I used to use Lightwave and almost moved across to Modo after LW stopped advancing. Now I know you said you were out of the game but if you still wanted something to keep your hand in or for personal projects I highly recommend Blender. It has come up in leaps and bounds the last couple of years and is currently better than Lightwave ever was. Also it has some fantastic sculpting tools that are supposedly coming very close to ZBrushes capabilities.

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

Like many here I came to Affinity after I bailed from decades worth of Adobe use. I point blank refuse to use a subscription model for my tools. I've been using Affinty products happily since the begining and have gotten many colleauges switched over.
I'm nervous. I used Adobe for years .. they went subscription and I moved on, I used Hitfilm pro for years. They were bought and promised "They had no plans" to go down the subscription path. Within months they did just that. I now use Davinci Resolve. Which frankly is 10x better but I digress.

To cut a long story medium length. I just want Affinity to know that if you go down the subscription path for V3, which let's face it is what they plan otherwise they wouldn't have been so careful to only speak of V2, then I and all the people I know will move on to other software.
Of course you can end all this doom and gloom speak by categorically stating that Affinity products will ALLWAYS remain once off purchases. I really hope you do.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

I'm afraid sir that it is you that has missinterpretted the situation when you purchased the software. There isn't an application on the planet that will keep updating a version of a program for a couple of years after it has been superceded. It is standard practice now that when you buy a software package you have access to updates for the life of that version. For when the next one comes out all development usually stops on the superceded codebase. This is why some companies offer a free upgrade to the next version when one is imminent. Not all companies do this though. In fact I think it is happening less and less these days because the communication between companies and their customers is much better these days. A lot of people are complaining about the level of communication from Affinity but it is actually much better than most. Not perfect of course but don't forget this is a small company that can't afford to have a huge communication team. 
Oh and the comments about fanboys? Man you don't know me at all. I've been a software developer for thirty plus years and am very hard on companies I use doing the wrong thing. It's just that in this case I've never seen such unfair criticism and felt the need to speak up.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

LOL .. you sir are priceless. I said companies have to make money to pay dividends. This is not fake news but a fact of life. Now I wasn't aware that Affinity was owned by an individual as this is a general discussion not a news piece. So in this case the owner needs to make profit to pay for his investment in the company. Which is exactly the same thing. You seem to be the only one who doesn't get this.

I'm afraid sir that it is you that has missinterpretted the situation when you purchased the software. There isn't an application on the planet that will keep updating a version of a program for a couple of years after it has been superceded. It is standard practice now that when you buy a software package you have access to updates for the life of that version. For when the next one comes out all development usually stops on the superceded codebase. This is why some companies offer a free upgrade to the next version when one is imminent. Not all companies do this though. In fact I think it is happening less and less these days because the communication between companies and their customers is much better these days. A lot of people are complaining about the level of communication from Affinity but it is actually much better than most. Not perfect of course but don't forget this is a small company that can't afford to have a huge communication team. 
Oh and the comments about fanboys? Man you don't know me at all. I've been a software developer for thirty plus years and am very hard on companies I use doing the wrong thing. It's just that in this case I've never seen such unfair criticism and felt the need to speak up.

I'm afraid sir that it is you that has missinterpretted the situation when you purchased the software. There isn't an application on the planet that will keep updating a version of a program for a couple of years after it has been superceded. It is standard practice now that when you buy a software package you have access to updates for the life of that version. For when the next one comes out all development usually stops on the superceded codebase. This is why some companies offer a free upgrade to the next version when one is imminent. Not all companies do this though. In fact I think it is happening less and less these days because the communication between companies and their customers is much better these days. A lot of people are complaining about the level of communication from Affinity but it is actually much better than most. Not perfect of course but don't forget this is a small company that can't afford to have a huge communication team. 
Oh and the comments about fanboys? Man you don't know me at all. I've been a software developer for thirty plus years and am very hard on companies I use doing the wrong thing. It's just that in this case I've never seen such unfair criticism and felt the need to speak up.

I'm afraid sir that it is you that has missinterpretted the situation when you purchased the software. There isn't an application on the planet that will keep updating a version of a program for a couple of years after it has been superceded. It is standard practice now that when you buy a software package you have access to updates for the life of that version. For when the next one comes out all development usually stops on the superceded codebase. This is why some companies offer a free upgrade to the next version when one is imminent. Not all companies do this though. In fact I think it is happening less and less these days because the communication between companies and their customers is much better these days. A lot of people are complaining about the level of communication from Affinity but it is actually much better than most. Not perfect of course but don't forget this is a small company that can't afford to have a huge communication team. 
Oh and the comments about fanboys? Man you don't know me at all. I've been a software developer for thirty plus years and am very hard on companies I use doing the wrong thing. It's just that in this case I've never seen such unfair criticism and felt the need to speak up.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.

Wow just wow. I have been floored with some of the comments from people here lately. The complaints about having to be inconvenienced forking out for version 2.0. Did ver 1.0 stop working and no one told me? And the expectation that work on ver 1 was going to continue? Why should it? Now I am 57 and have been working with computers and software since the 80's. For decades when you bought a software package.. that was it.. you installed it and used it for several years. No updates with bug fixes. You just learned to work around them. If the next version in a couple of years time didn't have anything that you needed you skipped it and kept working with what you had. Do you upgrade your car with every model? Does your current one stop getting you to work once it is no longer the newest model?

Affinity is a company just like any other. Every week it has to pay wages, rent, etc, etc, etc, not to mention pay it's investers a dividend as well to keep the business attractive to them. As long as there are sufficient new customers every week they can survive without bringing out a new version but like any product there comes a saturation point where they need a new influx of cash to keep going. They need to predict this point so that they can focus development of a new version. This has been going on with every damn piece of software since the first computer. Why is it suddenly now people have an issue with it. I mean it's been 8 years for crying out loud since version 1.0

Now strictly speaking I don't "need" the new features but in this instance I bought 2.0 because I wanted to support Affinity and to help ensure they can keep going and keep making the software I need. This does not mean I will do this every version. In a few years time I may not have any need to upgrade and I won't.

The only semi legit complaint is the way they are handling the upgrading. There is a way to handle it (I'll show bellow) but I also respect the way they attempted to fix it by giving everyone a 40% discount. So someone who didn't buy 1.0 also gets it? Big deal. That's not hurting me any.

As to upgrades. The easiest way is selling two different licenses. A full license and an upgrade one at appropriate price levels. Then during the install process if someone enters an upgrade code the program then asks for a second code for the previous version. That way it does not matter which store the person buys the code from.