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    Redsandro got a reaction from sethkoenig in Affinity products for Linux   
    You're describing the current status quo. All the people in this topic do not like the status quo and are looking for ways to use their preferred OS.
    If you want to understand the rationale here, try to empathize with the following: Many development tool chains are easier to use on Linux. For a long time tools like Docker didn't even work on Windows or OSX. Many developers left Windows for Linux, and in an attempt to keep these users in the Windows ecosystem, Microsoft invested $7.5 billion in Github, Mono, VS Code for Linux, WSL, WSL2, Linux kernel support etc, but it's still just not as nice as developing on Linux.
    Perhaps big studios can have multiple dedicated computers with fulltime employees on them. But an Indie developer working from the living room dinner table does not want to buy two computers. They just want to do development and design on one computer, on one operating system. They often spend 80% of their time developing and 20% of their time in design, so Linux/development wins over Windows/design.
    So they did buy a computer that works with 80% of the software needed. This topic is about the other 20%, more specifically Affinity Design and Affinity Photo. 
    If it was the other way around, and 80% of their time was design, they might prefer a Windows computer in stead, but with this much usage, they would probably be justified in purchasing the expensive monthly Adobe CC subscription in stead of the more affordable Affinity suite.
    Affinity is a more interesting indie developer option than Adobe. And Linux is a more interesting indie developer option than Windows. Therefore, Affinity should run on Linux.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from blackbird9 in Affinity for Linux   
    One last quote: This made me think of that Hiri commercial email client.
    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/linux-users-are-more-valuable-customers
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    Redsandro got a reaction from B-Interactive in Affinity for Linux   
    For everyone else that's reading: Don't get rattled by this FUD.
    Flatpak, the next generation of AppImage, works the same as described above. You can install multiple versions of the same components in Flatpak, and every other Flatpak can load them when needed.
    AppImage just works everywhere. Flatpak is the same but allows separating often shared libraries. The latter is only beneficial if you are frugal about storage space. The former is beneficial if you don't care and want it to just work no matter what. Packaging one or the other is as simple as adding a line to your build script. For that reason, many software (e.g. the Non-Linear video Editor KdenLive) publish both, so people can choose.
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    Redsandro reacted to m.vlad in Affinity for Linux   
    There is no proof for or against the share of linux because there is no telemetry.
    as for your 2nd and 3rd arguments, do we need to refute them again? We've already given options for that - snap packages, appimages, etc. I don't see how packing in dependencies completely takes appimage off the table. sure it adds redundancies, but what about that makes it a no-go option?
    As far as Adobe's reasons go, you have no source, you can only make claims about what their reasoning was. I can also put words in their mouth "They didn't want to do it because they have a large library and they have more than enough profit margin from their current supported operating systems". that gets us nowhere, we're just arguing fantasies.
    Yes you can, that's the package manager. Or you can use a prepackaged solution such as appimages. Windows does that as well, you have developers packaging in dll libraries with apps instead of having the OS do that, you know why? because it works. I don't see you arguing against Microsoft for not taking control of the library dependency problem. I can only assume it's bias, and considering your tone and ignorance throughout these pages, I'm not sure anyone can argue with you, not because of a lack of valid points, but because you don't bring anything worthwhile to the table or actually are part of a conversation.
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    Redsandro reacted to Renzatic in Affinity for Linux   
    You have Substance Painter and Designer on Linux, both of which are Adobe apps.
    The problem with Linux isn't that it's small, rather that it's very specific. If you're working with code or 3D applications, you have tons of users with all the support you'd ever need. Graphics design? Well, that's more of a question mark.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Requester in Affinity for Linux   
    Do people still make such an outdated argument and think they are contributing constructively to a discussion? AppImage has becoming increasingly popular in the last 15 years to solve this problem. Their portability became so popular that both Red Hat and Canonical made commercial versions 6 years ago. You get 33 officially supported distro's (and more unofficial) for the price of one.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from blackbird9 in Affinity products for Linux   
    You're describing the current status quo. All the people in this topic do not like the status quo and are looking for ways to use their preferred OS.
    If you want to understand the rationale here, try to empathize with the following: Many development tool chains are easier to use on Linux. For a long time tools like Docker didn't even work on Windows or OSX. Many developers left Windows for Linux, and in an attempt to keep these users in the Windows ecosystem, Microsoft invested $7.5 billion in Github, Mono, VS Code for Linux, WSL, WSL2, Linux kernel support etc, but it's still just not as nice as developing on Linux.
    Perhaps big studios can have multiple dedicated computers with fulltime employees on them. But an Indie developer working from the living room dinner table does not want to buy two computers. They just want to do development and design on one computer, on one operating system. They often spend 80% of their time developing and 20% of their time in design, so Linux/development wins over Windows/design.
    So they did buy a computer that works with 80% of the software needed. This topic is about the other 20%, more specifically Affinity Design and Affinity Photo. 
    If it was the other way around, and 80% of their time was design, they might prefer a Windows computer in stead, but with this much usage, they would probably be justified in purchasing the expensive monthly Adobe CC subscription in stead of the more affordable Affinity suite.
    Affinity is a more interesting indie developer option than Adobe. And Linux is a more interesting indie developer option than Windows. Therefore, Affinity should run on Linux.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from msdobrescu in Affinity products for Linux   
    You're describing the current status quo. All the people in this topic do not like the status quo and are looking for ways to use their preferred OS.
    If you want to understand the rationale here, try to empathize with the following: Many development tool chains are easier to use on Linux. For a long time tools like Docker didn't even work on Windows or OSX. Many developers left Windows for Linux, and in an attempt to keep these users in the Windows ecosystem, Microsoft invested $7.5 billion in Github, Mono, VS Code for Linux, WSL, WSL2, Linux kernel support etc, but it's still just not as nice as developing on Linux.
    Perhaps big studios can have multiple dedicated computers with fulltime employees on them. But an Indie developer working from the living room dinner table does not want to buy two computers. They just want to do development and design on one computer, on one operating system. They often spend 80% of their time developing and 20% of their time in design, so Linux/development wins over Windows/design.
    So they did buy a computer that works with 80% of the software needed. This topic is about the other 20%, more specifically Affinity Design and Affinity Photo. 
    If it was the other way around, and 80% of their time was design, they might prefer a Windows computer in stead, but with this much usage, they would probably be justified in purchasing the expensive monthly Adobe CC subscription in stead of the more affordable Affinity suite.
    Affinity is a more interesting indie developer option than Adobe. And Linux is a more interesting indie developer option than Windows. Therefore, Affinity should run on Linux.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Snapseed in Affinity for Linux   
    No. Mac OS X is officially Unix, and GNU/Linux is not. (GNU's Not Unix). So while some basics share a common ancestor, the higher level stuff needed to make an app today is very different.
    More importantly, I suppose OS X software uses the Metal API where the art board needs to be implemented in the Vulkan or OpenGL API on Linux.
    As for the interface, I assume that it also uses a Mac OS specific toolkit. So pretty much everything needs to be re-implemented, except for the render core, which the Affinity team explained is platform independent already, and likely shared between the Windows and the Mac OS X version.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Bez Bezson in Affinity for Linux   
    One last quote: This made me think of that Hiri commercial email client.
    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/linux-users-are-more-valuable-customers
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Bez Bezson in Affinity for Linux   
    There are certain places you can check to see if your Windows program is running on WINE. Perhaps there are more modern methods.
    ntdll.dll:wine_get_version HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Wine I have no idea how simple/complex the WINE problem is, so I don't know if we can expect WINE to work soon or never. But if you can build some checks now, they will already be there once WINE starts to work with Affinity products.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Bez Bezson in Affinity for Linux   
    Fair enough. That's why we hope to get the WINE support. I would recommend a WINE check in your software though, so you can gather telemetry on how many users run your Windows version on Linux. You'll get an insight for free. You may notice that there aren't enough Linux users and your suspicions were right. You may even want to share the percentages after a year or two, to stop this discussion with some statistics as opposed to suspicions from both sides.
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    Redsandro reacted to justajeffy in Affinity for Linux   
    That statement does not seem true to me and certainly not fair to Serif.  It's perfectly reasonable for them to be extremely cautious in their decision-making with regard to possibly developing for another platform and then having to support it.  It would also be perfectly reasonable for them to say they won't make a Linux version because they simply don't want to.  That's their prerogative.   All we can do is continue to make it known that we want it and are willing to pay for it.
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    Redsandro reacted to Renzatic in Affinity for Linux   
    I see it as them being highly risk adverse. They're not doing what we want them to do out of spite or meanness. Rather, they're taking an overly cautious standpoint on the matter.
    It's our job to convince and/or annoy them into thinking otherwise. It may take a minute or two to do so, provided it ever happens at all, but the last thing we should do is start taking it personally.
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    Redsandro reacted to m.vlad in Affinity for Linux   
    Apparently some of the downvotes were because someone already posted about the thing the same day.
     
    These have quite a high number of upvotes and comments, I hope this proves that the FOSS-focused people do not represent the entirety of the linux userbase.
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    Redsandro reacted to Renzatic in Affinity for Linux   
    They don't, but they generally are the most outspoken on any Linux oriented messageboard.
    The really hardcore FOSS contingent really weird me out. They're such a hyperbolical bunch, always talking about closed sourced software in terms of good and evil. That's not evil. The secret police kicking your doors in at 2AM to eat your babies is evil. Proprietary software is just a business model.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Renzatic in Affinity for Linux   
    One last quote: This made me think of that Hiri commercial email client.
    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/linux-users-are-more-valuable-customers
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    Redsandro got a reaction from m.vlad in Affinity for Linux   
    One last quote: This made me think of that Hiri commercial email client.
    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/linux-users-are-more-valuable-customers
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    Redsandro reacted to justajeffy in Affinity for Linux   
    I'm one of those people who's willing to pay more a Linux version and buy enough copies for everyone at a small VFX studio.  However, I would not buy any if it means I have to run it under Wine.  I'd pay only only for a proper Linux version for these users.
    It would be a mistake to count "wine users" as a good metric to go by in order to determine market potential.  There are many more of us who would not be represented in those numbers.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Snapseed in Affinity for Linux   
    Sometimes I don't understand why sincere attempts like this actually get downvoted. I understand that people who don't care don't upvote, but downvoting? That's actively thwarting something potentially good for Linux. Perhaps some of us can upvote this. I just upvoted. You can find the tread in r/linux when searching for the title ("Getting a good design app working on linux").
    Remember, do not post a direct link to the thread. Reddit removes/shadowbans threads that get too many votes through a referral link.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from Bez Bezson in Affinity for Linux   
    Because that's precisely what WINE is all about. 
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    Redsandro reacted to blackbird9 in Affinity for Linux   
    For me, I'd really like Publisher and Designer on Linux. I understand the plan to get Affinity in attention in WINE, so I've put my 3 votes to Photo.
    Scribus is .. functional, but feels convoluted/clunky to achieve things. Inkscape is better. However, neither have an interface or performance feel that I admire. GIMP and Krita are pretty good, and I've used them some on Windows too, but I'd love the full Affinity suite on Linux. That's all I need and there'd be no going back - I'd be a full Linux designer. People like Logos By Nick have tempted me to try it early, and I did for a while.
    I'm anxious to jump ship. I hate MacOS (used at work) and comfortable with Windows (work and gaming at home), but I feel the heavy-handedness of their developer companies increasingly restrictive, invasive and unwelcome. And I don't like Adobe's software or licencing model. I used Corel for years commercially, until migrating to Affinity a couple years back. Affinity is so less bloated, more responsive, and more intuitive interface. Plus tops to their licencing costs and permissions. I'd even buy Affinity again to have it native on Linux. I hope they reconsider the platform and support it soon, whether native or courtesy of WINE.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from blackbird9 in Affinity for Linux   
    If we can seriously get 150 people to cast 3 votes for Affinity Photo, then the next 150 people can vote for Affinity Designer and they'll both be the top two.
    Keep in mind that this is an interesting experiment (Thanks @Bez Bezson, I didn't even know about that vote option) to get attention from wine devs checking the list. It is not a guarantee that someone will fix the wine problems.
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    Redsandro got a reaction from blackbird9 in Affinity for Linux   
    Let's give this a try. Cast votes for the latest reported version. We only need 407 votes to be at the top of the list.
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    Redsandro reacted to Snapseed in Affinity for Linux   
    As our friends in Italy say, "Eccellente e grazie" and it is very good to hear this. What we now have do is let all our Linux friends and contacts know that now would be a very good time to register with Wine HQ and do quite a bit of voting!
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